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On Feb 5, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Ouabache Designworks <z3qmtr45 AT gmail DOT com> =
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> A tool is nothing more than an algorithm expressed in a language. We =
should be designing and testing the algorithms to allow multiple =
expressions of those tools to coexist so that we can do head to head =
battles of scheme vs python vs lua etc.
We kind of have that in geda-gaf in that we have a well documented =
schematic and symbol interchange format. It=92s very easy to parse and =
write with a variety of tools, ancient and modern. However, we also have =
a bunch of infrastructure that *only* has a Guile API, and underneath =
that is a bunch of C infrastructure configured through Guile but =
otherwise difficult of access via a script. As far as I know, nobody has =
yet written a geda netlister without Guile. We have few plugins for =
gschem: Guile is a barrier. And if you want to *control* hierarchical =
expansion beyond simply turning it on or off, you have a long road =
ahead.
Thus, the infrastructure locks in the language in an important subset of =
cases. It is important that the infrastructure be accessible from a =
widely familiar language that=92s easy to learn. In my world, people =
fluent in Guile are rare. People fluent in Lua are nonexistent (I don=92t =
do games). But Python is ubiquitous.
John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd.
http://www.noqsi.com/
jpd AT noqsi DOT com
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type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><br></div>A tool is =
nothing more than an algorithm expressed in a language. We should =
be designing and testing the algorithms to allow multiple expressions of =
those tools to coexist so that we can do head to head battles of scheme =
vs python vs lua =
etc.<br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div>We kind of =
have that in geda-gaf in that we have a well documented schematic and =
symbol interchange format. It=92s very easy to parse and write with a =
variety of tools, ancient and modern. However, we also have a bunch of =
infrastructure that *only* has a Guile API, and underneath that is a =
bunch of C infrastructure configured through Guile but otherwise =
difficult of access via a script. As far as I know, nobody has yet =
written a geda netlister without Guile. We have few plugins for gschem: =
Guile is a barrier. And if you want to *control* hierarchical expansion =
beyond simply turning it on or off, you have a long road =
ahead.<div><br></div><div>Thus, the infrastructure locks in the language =
in an important subset of cases. It is important that the infrastructure =
be accessible from a widely familiar language that=92s easy to learn. In =
my world, people fluent in Guile are rare. People fluent in Lua are =
nonexistent (I don=92t do games). But Python is =
ubiquitous.<br><div><br><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
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