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Hello,
If you look at the generated netlist, the device still starts using the =
letter =91M=92 not the X. So ngspice looks for a MOS transistor instead =
of the subcircuit.
AFAIK, to really fix the problem you should check the value of the =
attribute =93device" on the symbol. It should be SUBCKT_PMOS or =
SUBCKT_NMOS instead of PMOS_TRANSISTOR or NMOS_TRANSISTOR. Then, the =
spice-sdb backend should generate the correct device line.
Best regards,
Francesc
On 23 Dec 2014, at 13:39, Johnny Cage <hellbourne AT yahoo DOT com> wrote:
> Well, I changed it to the following:
>=20
> * gnetlist -g spice-sdb -o spice.net TIC_based_CF739.sch
> *********************************************************
> * Spice file generated by gnetlist *
> * spice-sdb version 4.28.2007 by SDB -- *
> * provides advanced spice netlisting capability. *
> * Documentation at http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/ *
> *********************************************************
> *vvvvvvvv Included SPICE model from =
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/NE3210S01.mod vvvvvvvv
> .subckt NE3210S01_v1 Gate Drain Source Ugw=3D160um Ngf=3D1
> .param CGD=3D1.4e-15
> .param CGS=3D60e-15
> .param CSD=3D80e-15
> .param LG=3D0.82e-9
> .param LD=3D0.74e-9
> .param LS=3D0.11e-9
> L1 Drain D 'LD'
> L2 Gate G 'LG'
> L3 Source S 'LS'
> C1 Gate Drain 'CGD'
> C2 Gate Source 'CGS'
> C3 Drain Source 'CSD'
> J1 D G S NE3210S01 Ugw=3D160 N=3D1 M=3D1
> .model NE3210S01 njf level=3D15=20
> + VTO=3D-0.95 GAMMA=3D0.055 VGO=3D-0.323 VCH=3D1.03 GMMAX=3D0.08 =
VDSO=3D2 VSAT=3D0.44 KAPA=3D0.009 PEFF=3D101
> + VTSO=3D-10 VCO=3D-0.245 MU=3D0.001 VBA=3D1 VBC=3D0.5 DELTGM=3D0.17 =
ALPHA=3D0.1
> + RDB=3D1.0e9 CBS=3D160e-15 GDBM=3D60e-6 KDB=3D100 VDSM=3D100 =
GMMAXAC=3D0.082 VTOAC=3D-0.92
> + GAMMAAC=3D0.06 KAPAAC=3D0.002 PEFFAC=3D294 VTSOAC=3D-10 =
DELTGMAC=3D0.17
> + IS=3D26e-12 N=3D1.5 KBK=3D0 IDSOC=3D0.1 VBR=3D15 NBR=3D2
> + RS=3D0.8 RG=3D2.0 RD=3D1.0 Ugw=3D160 Ngf=3D1
> + C11O=3D188e-15 C11TH=3D129e-15 VINFL=3D-0.706 DELTGS=3D0.527 =
DELTDS=3D0.287 LAMBDA=3D0.03=20
> + C12SAT=3D19e-15 CGDSAT=3D20e-15 RIS=3D4.8 RID=3D0.001 TAU=3D2.1e-12 =
CDSO=3D124e-15
> .ends NE3210S01_v1
>=20
>=20
>=20
> *^^^^^^^^ End of included SPICE model from =
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/NE3210S01.mod ^^^^^^^^
> *
> *=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Begin SPICE netlist of =
main design =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> .options TEMP=3D25
> .INCLUDE /home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/simulation.cmd
> VDS1 1 0 DC 2V
> Vac1 Vin 0 DC 0 AC 10MV SIN(0 1MV 32KHZ)
> C1 0 1 47nF =20
> R2 0 Vin 10MEG =20
> R1 0 Vout 1.5K =20
> MX1 1 Vin Vout Vout NE3210S01
> .end
> Still does not work and with the same error message. Any ideas?
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:24 PM, myken <myken AT iae DOT nl> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Hello John,
>=20
> To my knowledge, if you use a SUBCKT the component in question should =
have a X? as a refdes.
>=20
> Don't know what will happen if the name of the SUBCKT is the same as a =
MODEL name inside the SUBCKT, never tried it.
>=20
> Merry Christmas,
> Robert Zeegers.
>=20
>=20
> On 23/12/14 12:56, Johnny Cage wrote:
>> I am trying to ngspice the following code:
>>=20
>> * gnetlist -g spice-sdb -o spice.net TIC_based_CF739.sch
>> *********************************************************
>> * Spice file generated by gnetlist *
>> * spice-sdb version 4.28.2007 by SDB -- *
>> * provides advanced spice netlisting capability. *
>> * Documentation at http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/ *
>> *********************************************************
>> *vvvvvvvv Included SPICE model from =
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/NE3210S01.mod vvvvvvvv
>> .SUBCKT NE3210S01 Gate Drain Source Ugw=3D160um Ngf=3D1
>> .param CGD=3D1.4e-15
>> .param CGS=3D60e-15
>> .param CSD=3D80e-15
>> .param LG=3D0.82e-9
>> .param LD=3D0.74e-9
>> .param LS=3D0.11e-9
>> L1 Drain D 'LD'
>> L2 Gate G 'LG'
>> L3 Source S 'LS'
>> C1 Gate Drain 'CGD'
>> C2 Gate Source 'CGS'
>> C3 Drain Source 'CSD'
>> J1 D G S NE3210S01 Ugw=3D160 N=3D1 M=3D1
>> .MODEL NE3210S01 njf level=3D15=20
>> + VTO=3D-0.95 GAMMA=3D0.055 VGO=3D-0.323 VCH=3D1.03 GMMAX=3D0.08 =
VDSO=3D2 VSAT=3D0.44 KAPA=3D0.009 PEFF=3D101
>> + VTSO=3D-10 VCO=3D-0.245 MU=3D0.001 VBA=3D1 VBC=3D0.5 DELTGM=3D0.17 =
ALPHA=3D0.1
>> + RDB=3D1.0e9 CBS=3D160e-15 GDBM=3D60e-6 KDB=3D100 VDSM=3D100 =
GMMAXAC=3D0.082 VTOAC=3D-0.92
>> + GAMMAAC=3D0.06 KAPAAC=3D0.002 PEFFAC=3D294 VTSOAC=3D-10 =
DELTGMAC=3D0.17
>> + IS=3D26e-12 N=3D1.5 KBK=3D0 IDSOC=3D0.1 VBR=3D15 NBR=3D2
>> + RS=3D0.8 RG=3D2.0 RD=3D1.0 Ugw=3D160 Ngf=3D1
>> + C11O=3D188e-15 C11TH=3D129e-15 VINFL=3D-0.706 DELTGS=3D0.527 =
DELTDS=3D0.287 LAMBDA=3D0.03=20
>> + C12SAT=3D19e-15 CGDSAT=3D20e-15 RIS=3D4.8 RID=3D0.001 TAU=3D2.1e-12 =
CDSO=3D124e-15
>> .ENDS NE3210S01
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> *^^^^^^^^ End of included SPICE model from =
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/NE3210S01.mod ^^^^^^^^
>> *
>> *=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Begin SPICE netlist of =
main design =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>> .options TEMP=3D25
>> .INCLUDE /home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/simulation.cmd
>> VDS1 1 0 DC 2V
>> Vac1 Vin 0 DC 0 AC 10MV SIN(0 1MV 32KHZ)
>> C1 0 1 47nF=20
>> R2 0 Vin 10MEG=20
>> R1 0 Vout 1.5K=20
>> MQ1 1 Vin Vout Vout NE3210S01=20
>> .end
>> However, on the results.txt file I get the following message:
>>=20
>> Circuit: * gnetlist -g spice-sdb -o spice.net tic_based_cf739.sch
>>=20
>> Error on line 46 : mq1 1 vin vout vout ne3210s01
>> Unable to find definition of model ne3210s01 - default assumed=20
>>=20
>> Does anyone know what the problem is?
>>=20
>> Merry Christmas,
>> John Hellbourne
>=20
>=20
>=20
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after-white-space;"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div>If you look at the =
generated netlist, the device still starts using the letter =91M=92 not =
the X. So ngspice looks for a MOS transistor instead of the =
subcircuit.<div><br></div><div>AFAIK, to really fix the problem you =
should check the value of the attribute =93device" on the symbol. It =
should be SUBCKT_PMOS or SUBCKT_NMOS instead of PMOS_TRANSISTOR or =
NMOS_TRANSISTOR. Then, the spice-sdb backend should generate the correct =
device line.</div><div><br></div><div>Best =
regards,</div><div>Francesc</div><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"></blockquote></div><div><br><div><div>On 23 Dec 2014, at =
13:39, Johnny Cage <<a =
href=3D"mailto:hellbourne AT yahoo DOT com">hellbourne AT yahoo DOT com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida =
Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; position: static; z-index: =
auto;"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_11644">Well, I changed it =
to the following:</div><div><br></div><blockquote><blockquote><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_11693" dir=3D"ltr">* gnetlist -g =
spice-sdb -o <a href=3D"http://spice.net">spice.net</a> =
TIC_based_CF739.sch<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">*********************************************************<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">* Spice file generated by =
gnetlist =
*<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">* spice-sdb version 4.28.2007 by SDB =
-- =
*<br style=3D"" class=3D"">* provides advanced =
spice netlisting capability. =
*<br style=3D"" class=3D"">* Documentation at <a =
href=3D"http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/">http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SP=
ICE/</a> *<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">*********************************************************<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">*vvvvvvvv Included SPICE model from =
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/NE3210S01.mod vvvvvvvv<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">.subckt NE3210S01_v1 Gate Drain Source Ugw=3D160um =
Ngf=3D1<br style=3D"" class=3D"">.param CGD=3D1.4e-15<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">.param CGS=3D60e-15<br style=3D"" class=3D"">.param =
CSD=3D80e-15<br style=3D"" class=3D"">.param LG=3D0.82e-9<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">.param LD=3D0.74e-9<br style=3D"" class=3D"">.param =
LS=3D0.11e-9<br style=3D"" class=3D"">L1 Drain D 'LD'<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">L2 Gate G 'LG'<br style=3D"" class=3D"">L3 Source S 'LS'<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">C1 Gate Drain 'CGD'<br style=3D"" class=3D"">C2 =
Gate Source 'CGS'<br style=3D"" class=3D"">C3 Drain Source 'CSD'<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">J1 D G S NE3210S01 Ugw=3D160 N=3D1 M=3D1<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">.model NE3210S01 njf level=3D15 <br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">+ VTO=3D-0.95 GAMMA=3D0.055 VGO=3D-0.323 VCH=3D1.03 =
GMMAX=3D0.08 VDSO=3D2 VSAT=3D0.44 KAPA=3D0.009 PEFF=3D101<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">+ VTSO=3D-10 VCO=3D-0.245 MU=3D0.001 VBA=3D1 VBC=3D0.5 =
DELTGM=3D0.17 ALPHA=3D0.1<br style=3D"" class=3D"">+ RDB=3D1.0e9 =
CBS=3D160e-15 GDBM=3D60e-6 KDB=3D100 VDSM=3D100 GMMAXAC=3D0.082 =
VTOAC=3D-0.92<br style=3D"" class=3D"">+ GAMMAAC=3D0.06 KAPAAC=3D0.002 =
PEFFAC=3D294 VTSOAC=3D-10 DELTGMAC=3D0.17<br style=3D"" class=3D"">+ =
IS=3D26e-12 N=3D1.5 KBK=3D0 IDSOC=3D0.1 VBR=3D15 NBR=3D2<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">+ RS=3D0.8 RG=3D2.0 RD=3D1.0 Ugw=3D160 Ngf=3D1<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">+ C11O=3D188e-15 C11TH=3D129e-15 VINFL=3D-0.706 DELTGS=3D0.527 =
DELTDS=3D0.287 LAMBDA=3D0.03 <br style=3D"" class=3D"">+ C12SAT=3D19e-15 =
CGDSAT=3D20e-15 RIS=3D4.8 RID=3D0.001 TAU=3D2.1e-12 CDSO=3D124e-15<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">.ends NE3210S01_v1<br style=3D"" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"" class=3D""><br style=3D"" class=3D""><br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">*^^^^^^^^ End of included SPICE model from =
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/NE3210S01.mod ^^^^^^^^<br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">*<br style=3D"" class=3D"">*=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Begin SPICE netlist of main design =
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br style=3D"" class=3D"">.options =
TEMP=3D25<br style=3D"" class=3D"">.INCLUDE =
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/simulation.cmd<br style=3D""=
class=3D"">VDS1 1 0 DC 2V<br style=3D"" class=3D"">Vac1 Vin 0 DC 0 AC =
10MV SIN(0 1MV 32KHZ)<br style=3D"" class=3D"">C1 0 1 47nF <br =
style=3D"" class=3D"">R2 0 Vin 10MEG <br style=3D"" class=3D"">R1 =
0 Vout 1.5K <br style=3D"" class=3D"">MX1 1 Vin Vout Vout =
NE3210S01<br style=3D"" =
class=3D"">.end<br></div></blockquote></blockquote><div dir=3D"ltr" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_11643"><span>Still does not work and =
with the same error message. Any ideas?</span></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br><span></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span></span></div> =
<div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: =
block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family: =
HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, =
sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, =
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: =
16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Tuesday, =
December 23, 2014 1:24 PM, myken <<a =
href=3D"mailto:myken AT iae DOT nl">myken AT iae DOT nl</a>> wrote:<br> </font> =
</div> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv0499230664">=
<div class=3D"yiv0499230664moz-cite-prefix">Hello John,<br =
clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
To my knowledge, if you use a SUBCKT the component in question
should have a X? as a refdes.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Don't know what will happen if the name of the SUBCKT is the same
as a MODEL name inside the SUBCKT, never tried it.<br =
clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Merry Christmas,<br clear=3D"none">
Robert Zeegers.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
On 23/12/14 12:56, Johnny Cage wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv0499230664yqt0702701014" =
id=3D"yiv0499230664yqt34040"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: =
HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', =
sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">
<div>I am trying to ngspice the following code:</div>
<div id=3D"yiv0499230664yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_9336"><br =
clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote id=3D"yiv0499230664yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_9335">
<div id=3D"yiv0499230664yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_9254">* =
gnetlist -g
spice-sdb -o <a href=3D"http://spice.net">spice.net</a> =
TIC_based_CF739.sch<br clear=3D"none">
*********************************************************<br =
clear=3D"none">
* Spice file generated by gnetlist *<br clear=3D"none">
* spice-sdb version 4.28.2007 by SDB -- *<br clear=3D"none">
* provides advanced spice netlisting capability. *<br =
clear=3D"none">
* Documentation at <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
class=3D"yiv0499230664moz-txt-link-freetext" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SPICE/">http://www.brorson.com/gEDA/SP=
ICE/</a> *<br clear=3D"none">
*********************************************************<br =
clear=3D"none">
*vvvvvvvv Included SPICE model from
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/NE3210S01.mod
vvvvvvvv<br clear=3D"none">
.SUBCKT NE3210S01 Gate Drain Source Ugw=3D160um Ngf=3D1<br =
clear=3D"none">
.param CGD=3D1.4e-15<br clear=3D"none">
.param CGS=3D60e-15<br clear=3D"none">
.param CSD=3D80e-15<br clear=3D"none">
.param LG=3D0.82e-9<br clear=3D"none">
.param LD=3D0.74e-9<br clear=3D"none">
.param LS=3D0.11e-9<br clear=3D"none">
L1 Drain D 'LD'<br clear=3D"none">
L2 Gate G 'LG'<br clear=3D"none">
L3 Source S 'LS'<br clear=3D"none">
C1 Gate Drain 'CGD'<br clear=3D"none">
C2 Gate Source 'CGS'<br clear=3D"none">
C3 Drain Source 'CSD'<br clear=3D"none">
J1 D G S NE3210S01 Ugw=3D160 N=3D1 M=3D1<br clear=3D"none">
.MODEL NE3210S01 njf level=3D15 <br clear=3D"none">
+ VTO=3D-0.95 GAMMA=3D0.055 VGO=3D-0.323 VCH=3D1.03 =
GMMAX=3D0.08
VDSO=3D2 VSAT=3D0.44 KAPA=3D0.009 PEFF=3D101<br =
clear=3D"none">
+ VTSO=3D-10 VCO=3D-0.245 MU=3D0.001 VBA=3D1 VBC=3D0.5 =
DELTGM=3D0.17
ALPHA=3D0.1<br clear=3D"none">
+ RDB=3D1.0e9 CBS=3D160e-15 GDBM=3D60e-6 KDB=3D100 VDSM=3D100
GMMAXAC=3D0.082 VTOAC=3D-0.92<br clear=3D"none">
+ GAMMAAC=3D0.06 KAPAAC=3D0.002 PEFFAC=3D294 VTSOAC=3D-10
DELTGMAC=3D0.17<br clear=3D"none">
+ IS=3D26e-12 N=3D1.5 KBK=3D0 IDSOC=3D0.1 VBR=3D15 NBR=3D2<br =
clear=3D"none">
+ RS=3D0.8 RG=3D2.0 RD=3D1.0 Ugw=3D160 Ngf=3D1<br =
clear=3D"none">
+ C11O=3D188e-15 C11TH=3D129e-15 VINFL=3D-0.706 DELTGS=3D0.527=
DELTDS=3D0.287 LAMBDA=3D0.03 <br clear=3D"none">
+ C12SAT=3D19e-15 CGDSAT=3D20e-15 RIS=3D4.8 RID=3D0.001 =
TAU=3D2.1e-12
CDSO=3D124e-15<br clear=3D"none">
.ENDS NE3210S01<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
*^^^^^^^^ End of included SPICE model from
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/NE3210S01.mod
^^^^^^^^<br clear=3D"none">
*<br clear=3D"none">
*=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Begin SPICE =
netlist of main design
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br clear=3D"none">
.options TEMP=3D25<br clear=3D"none">
.INCLUDE
=
/home/af3/Dropbox/Wrachtrup/simulations/spice/simulation.cmd<br =
clear=3D"none">
VDS1 1 0 DC 2V<br clear=3D"none">
Vac1 Vin 0 DC 0 AC 10MV SIN(0 1MV 32KHZ)<br clear=3D"none">
C1 0 1 47nF <br clear=3D"none">
R2 0 Vin 10MEG <br clear=3D"none">
R1 0 Vout 1.5K <br clear=3D"none">
MQ1 1 Vin Vout Vout NE3210S01 <br clear=3D"none">
.end</div>
</blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr" =
id=3D"yiv0499230664yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_9444">However, on
the results.txt file I get the following message:<br =
clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"yiv0499230664yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_9447"><br =
clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div id=3D"yiv0499230664yui_3_16_0_1_1419335463528_9445">Circuit: =
* gnetlist -g
spice-sdb -o <a href=3D"http://spice.net">spice.net</a> =
tic_based_cf739.sch<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Error on line 46 : mq1 1 vin vout vout ne3210s01<br =
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Unable to find definition of model ne3210s01 - default assumed
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know what the problem is?</div>
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Christmas,</div>
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Hellbourne<br clear=3D"none">
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