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Date:	Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:04:20 -0500
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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] Thoughts on gschem UI
From:	Evan Foss <evanfoss AT gmail DOT com>
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On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire AT neurotica DOT com> wrote:
> On 11/18/2012 04:12 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem wrote:
>> I don't know why guile became the scripting language of geda, but if
>> you have a look at this, http://www.vanderburg.org/OldPages/Tcl/war/,
>> you will know what GNU founder Stallman thinks. I guess using guile is
>> only something for GNU projects due to the license.
>
>   Stallman is a bit, erm, crazy, but that has nothing to do with the
> suitability of Scheme as a domain-specific scripting language.  Guile is
> but one implementation of Scheme.
>
>> Other CAD tools, both EDA and mechanical, use some kind of extension
>> language. Lisp seems to be used by tools with long history, and newer
>> tools use anything from python through perl to lua and ruby.
>
>   If gEDA moves to Perl as its scripting language, I'm going back to
> pencil and paper.

I would like to add python and java to that list of neolithic triggers.

>   Lisp is used by the ones with long history, but it CONTINUES to be
> used there because it's a very good tool for the job.  Autodesk isn't
> dumping Autolisp for Perl or Ruby. ;)
>
>> A large number of commercial EDA tools use Tcl. Tcl is kind of the
>> reason why guile exist. If you google on John Ousterhout and Richard
>> Stallman, I think a lot of historical reasons for the existence of
>> guile will show up.
>
>   You know, I have tried to like Tcl off-and-on for about twenty years
> now.  I've really tried.  I just think it's a very ugly language.
> Powerful, yes...there's no doubt about that.  But people who like Tcl
> also tend to think Bud Light is good beer. ;)
>
>               -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA



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