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Date:	Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:02:52 -0500
From:	John Griessen <john AT ecosensory DOT com>
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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] The state of gEDA/gaf (Was gEDA/PCBs diversity, Was:
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On 10/29/2012 03:17 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>   no
>> >  layout person I work with is willing to use pcb.
>    What do these people use that they think is so much better?  I like it
> just fine.  Eight years ago it was a mess, but it's quite nice now.

They use PADS, or Mentor's higher priced thingamabob, or Cadence and Orcad.
I think it is mostly because it is "not setup for anything in particular"
out of the box.  The commercial tools are specific and need little setup to start
using them.  If you want schematics for chip design, you can't use Orcad.  So the
commercial tools are not adaptable like gEDA, and layout folk usually work along
with a "CAD guy" when they work on chips, or without ever writing design rules
when they work on boards.  They DO use design rules, but only when selectable from
drop down menus or buttons to turn types of rules on or off.

It's the nature of layout folk to not be programmers much more often than not.
The failure of pcb is it needs a fair amount of setup and just confuses
people-who-don't-write_programs when they first try it.

So, some documentation work will go along way, and I plan some, just can't start
until after a construction project I'm on is done.  Maybe April.

John

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