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Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 16:27:11 +0100
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On 14/07/12 15:48, Edward Comer wrote:
> If it is a mosfet the gate should appear to behave like a small 
> capacitor (WRT one of the other pins). Do you have a capacitance meter?
> - No, I have no capacitance meter. However, given that the E-B 
> junction has no conductivity in either direction, it would appear to 
> be MOSFET. Additionally, its function in the circuit is as a binary 
> switch of up to 500ma @ 5V. MOSFET would be good for such a purpose. 
> So given the E-B behavior and the intended function, I still suspect a 
> MOSFET. I was hoping that the "MON" would mean something meaningful 
> other than my assumption of "MO" - "N" channel.
>
> - I do have another circuit that I was working that has a 
> microcontroller with the markings removed.My favourites are the parts 
> with numbers sanded off...
>
> Does the circuit still work? If so you could probably get a good idea 
> of the function of the part with a little careful observation of the 
> circuit in operation.
> - Yes, fully functional, which is the basis of my assumptions 
> mentioned above. I intend to clone the portion of the circuitry that 
> has the MON SOT-23 chip and I was just hoping that the "MON" would 
> actually identify the chip more precisely.
>
> - I don't think that the photo adds anything of value but it is at 
> this link:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23036115 AT N03/7568124520/
>
> - The link below has the portion of my reverse engineered schematic 
> that has the MON marked transistor, which is identified as Q2. It is 
> not, as far as I know, a BSS123 - that SYM was just handy.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23036115 AT N03/7568162370/
>
> - If no one knows exactly what it is, I intend to substitute a FDV303N 
> for it, in my cloned design:
> http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/FD/FDV303N.html
>

If the substitute part can cope with your observations on the working 
board, there's not much to worry about unless very high speed switching 
is of interest.

Best of luck!

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/07/12 15:48, Edward Comer wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
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      <div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial,
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        <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
          font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: 'times new
            roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">If it
            is a mosfet the gate should appear to behave like a small
            capacitor (WRT one of the other pins). Do you have a
            capacitance meter?</span><br>
        </div>
        <div><span><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"
              size="3">- No, I have no capacitance meter. However, given
              that the E-B junction has no conductivity in either
              direction, it would appear to be MOSFET. Additionally, its
              function in the circuit is as a binary switch of up to
              500ma @ 5V. MOSFET would be good for such a purpose. So
              given the E-B&nbsp;</font><font face="times new roman, new
              york, times, serif">behavior</font><font face="times new
              roman, new york, times, serif" size="3">&nbsp;and the intended
              function, I still suspect a MOSFET. I was hoping that the
              "MON" would mean something meaningful other than my
              assumption of "MO" - "N" channel.</font></span></div>
        <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: arial, helvetica,
          sans-serif; ">
          <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman',
            'new york', times, serif; ">
            <div id="yiv1319957895">
              <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york',
                times, serif; "> <br>
                - I do have another circuit that I was working that has
                a microcontroller with the markings removed.My
                favourites are the parts with numbers sanded off...<br>
                <br>
                Does the circuit still work? If so you could probably
                get a good idea of the function of the part with a
                little careful observation of the circuit in operation.&nbsp;</div>
              <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york',
                times, serif; ">- Yes, fully functional, which is the
                basis of my assumptions mentioned above. I intend to
                clone the portion of the circuitry that has the MON
                SOT-23 chip and I was just hoping that the "MON" would
                actually identify the chip more precisely.</div>
              <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york',
                times, serif; "><br>
              </div>
              <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york',
                times, serif; ">- I don't think that the photo adds
                anything of value but it is at this link:</div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/23036115 AT N03/7568124520/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/23036115 AT N03/7568124520/</a><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>- The link below has the portion of my reverse
                engineered schematic that has the MON marked transistor,
                which is identified as Q2. It is not, as far as I know,
                a BSS123 - that SYM was just handy.</div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/23036115 AT N03/7568162370/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/23036115 AT N03/7568162370/</a><br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>- If no one knows exactly what it is, I intend to
                substitute a FDV303N for it, in my cloned design:</div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/FD/FDV303N.html">http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/FD/FDV303N.html</a><br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    If the substitute part can cope with your observations on the
    working board, there's not much to worry about unless very high
    speed switching is of interest.<br>
    <br>
    Best of luck!<br>
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