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Subject:	Re: [geda-user] Re: I won't do BGA's
From:	Peter Clifton <pcjc2 AT cam DOT ac DOT uk>
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Date:	Fri, 02 Dec 2011 10:04:28 +0000
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On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 10:11 +0100, Attila Kinali wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:10:08 -0500
> Bob Paddock <bob DOT paddock AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>=20
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 5:20 AM, John Griessen <john AT ecosensory DOT com> wr=
ote:
> >=20
> > > AT91SAM  is one I've heard of that might do and has a flat pack packa=
ge.
> >=20
> > Personally I avoid the Atmel ARM parts.  When they first came out with
> > USB parts I ran them through many Due Diligence tests.
> > I found that the USB part worked just fine if your PC had an Intel
> > host controller, but they didn't work if you had an NEC host
> > controller.
> >=20
> > When I reported that back to Atmel, the answer came back from Atmel
> > France (now closed) the originator of the Atmel ARM, as "You are to
> > stupid to use our part".
> > Maybe I'm not the smartest person in the world, but how much brain
> > power does it take to move the USB cable between two ports on the same
> > PC?
>=20
> Beside the USB core of the Atmel SAM7 having silicon bugs that
> can cause a lock up of the system and the documentation being
> plain wrong at some points (leading to lock up as well, and
> the mistakes being obvious if you know how USB works), the USB code
> provided by Atmel is a bug hole of the likes i have not seen many...

Do you have any references to the errata, or happen know whether these
bugs are present in the SAM3U parts?

I ask, as I'm working on a design with one of these at the moment, and
getting the USB working well is going to be high on the priority list
once we get a board up.

> It works in the most simple cases with only a specific windows
> version as host. Any change in the device behaviour or windows
> driver will lead to unpredictable results (ok, with windows it's
> quite predictable: blue screen).
>=20
> My recomendation, if you want to work with the SAM7's USB, write your
> own USB code using the Atmel code as an (bad) example on how to do it.
>=20
> Oh yes.. reporting those bugs to Atmel lead to being ignored...

Oh joy.

Best wishes,

Peter Clifton

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