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Vladimir, et al.,
Thank you for your detailed information. I appreciate your efforts as =
well as many others
who have contributed to the body of gEDA tools. My workplace has =
prospered, I=E2=80=99ve made money,
and learned a bunch because of the time spent and work done by many =
people. Thanks=20
to all of you.=20
Sorry if I caused a =E2=80=9Cstink-fest" by asking a question. I=E2=80=99v=
e been a member of this list for many=20
years and have seen too many acrimonious exchanges. Opinions and =
historical views differ.
Its OK. We are all human, flawed and need to extend grace to each other.
Have a great week.
Take care,
Roger Traylor
> On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via =
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
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> On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 12:08:43PM -0700, Roger Traylor =
(traylor AT engr DOT orst DOT edu) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>> Vladimir,
>> Pardon me for being uninformed, but I=E2=80=99ve looked around and =
have yet to figure out
>> exactly what the difference/motivation was for the lepton fork. =
I=E2=80=99m not being
>> critical, but trying to understand it. I may adopt it in the future =
if I knew what
>> the benefits were.
>> Thanks,
>> Roger Traylor
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> Roger,
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> The history is long and it will jugde whose approach is better.
>=20
> My main motivation was to keep the project alive. The second one
> was developing using Scheme as its main high-level language. The
> third one was restricting of introducing of third party code
> written in whichever language in order to maintain code base
> maintainable given what man-power we had all the time :-)
>=20
> A bit of history:
>=20
> While I tried to keep geda-gaf alive (I started working on it
> since about 2009) by working on and maintaining its C and Guile
> base, Roland decided (in my view) to transform geda-gaf into his
> xi/xorn by replacing some pieces of C and Guile project code with
> his new Python code. Some loud gEDA users had supported him in
> that, and, since there was no explicit and apparent (declared)
> leader (such a "democracy", being "anarchy" in essence), we've
> decided (several people, mostly real geda-gaf developers,
> supported me) to make a fork. Now, you can judge yourself which
> approach is better: Lepton has no issues with obsolete Guile and
> Python versions and is supported by many new distribution
> versions. OTOH, as I was concerned, we've lost a substantial
> amount of our user base and support due to such an unfair
> renaming/hijacking (IMO, xorn could live as a separate project,
> though without geda-gaf it could die, which I consider an only
> reason why Roland strived to include it in geda-gaf).
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> I can err, as all people :-) Hope no flame war will follow :-/
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> --=20
> Vladimir
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> (=CE=BB)=CE=B5=CF=80=CF=84=CF=8C=CE=BD EDA =E2=80=94 =
https://github.com/lepton-eda
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class=3D"">Vladimir, et al.,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">Thank you for your detailed information. I appreciate your =
efforts as well as many others</div><div class=3D"">who have contributed =
to the body of gEDA tools. My workplace has prospered, I=E2=80=99ve made =
money,</div><div class=3D"">and learned a bunch because of the time =
spent and work done by many people. Thanks </div><div class=3D"">to =
all of you. </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Sorry if I caused a =E2=80=9Cstink-fest" by asking a =
question. I=E2=80=99ve been a member of this list for =
many </div><div class=3D"">years and have seen too many acrimonious =
exchanges. Opinions and historical views differ.</div><div class=3D"">Its =
OK. We are all human, flawed and need to extend grace to each =
other.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"CenturySchoolbook" class=3D"">Have a great =
week.</font></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
CenturySchoolbook;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: CenturySchoolbook;" class=3D"">Take=
care,</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
CenturySchoolbook;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: CenturySchoolbook;" =
class=3D"">Roger Traylor</span></div><div class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep =
3, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Vladimir Zhbanov (<a =
href=3D"mailto:vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com" class=3D"">vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com</a>) =
[via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 12:08:43PM -0700, Roger Traylor (<a =
href=3D"mailto:traylor AT engr DOT orst DOT edu" =
class=3D"">traylor AT engr DOT orst DOT edu</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" =
class=3D"">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Vladimir,<br class=3D"">Pardon me for being =
uninformed, but I=E2=80=99ve looked around and have yet to figure out<br =
class=3D"">exactly what the difference/motivation was for the lepton =
fork. I=E2=80=99m not being<br class=3D"">critical, but trying to =
understand it. I may adopt it in the future if I knew what<br =
class=3D"">the benefits were.<br class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Roger =
Traylor<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">Roger,<br class=3D""><br=
class=3D"">The history is long and it will jugde whose approach is =
better.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">My main motivation was to keep the =
project alive. The second one<br class=3D"">was developing using =
Scheme as its main high-level language. The<br class=3D"">third =
one was restricting of introducing of third party code<br =
class=3D"">written in whichever language in order to maintain code =
base<br class=3D"">maintainable given what man-power we had all the time =
:-)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">A bit of history:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">While I tried to keep geda-gaf alive (I started working on =
it<br class=3D"">since about 2009) by working on and maintaining its C =
and Guile<br class=3D"">base, Roland decided (in my view) to transform =
geda-gaf into his<br class=3D"">xi/xorn by replacing some pieces of C =
and Guile project code with<br class=3D"">his new Python code. =
Some loud gEDA users had supported him in<br class=3D"">that, and, =
since there was no explicit and apparent (declared)<br class=3D"">leader =
(such a "democracy", being "anarchy" in essence), we've<br =
class=3D"">decided (several people, mostly real geda-gaf developers,<br =
class=3D"">supported me) to make a fork. Now, you can judge =
yourself which<br class=3D"">approach is better: Lepton has no issues =
with obsolete Guile and<br class=3D"">Python versions and is supported =
by many new distribution<br class=3D"">versions. OTOH, as I was =
concerned, we've lost a substantial<br class=3D"">amount of our user =
base and support due to such an unfair<br class=3D"">renaming/hijacking =
(IMO, xorn could live as a separate project,<br class=3D"">though =
without geda-gaf it could die, which I consider an only<br =
class=3D"">reason why Roland strived to include it in geda-gaf).<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">I can err, as all people :-) Hope no =
flame war will follow :-/<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- <br class=3D""> =
Vladimir<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">(=CE=BB)=CE=B5=CF=80=CF=84=CF=8C=
=CE=BD EDA =E2=80=94 <a href=3D"https://github.com/lepton-eda" =
class=3D"">https://github.com/lepton-eda</a><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></body></html>=
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