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I have actually had quite the reverse experience on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. While
gEDA was not in the repositories, lepton was or was almost trivially
installable. Older ubuntu versions came with an outdated gEDA in the
repositories so I've been compiling gEDA from release source tarballs and
git for quite some time now, but after about a half hour of dealing with
dependencies and the build still failing I just gave up and decided to use
lepton.
This followed an issue with gEDA on a previous Ubuntu install (probably
19.10) where all of a sudden gschem segfaults on start-up for no apparent
reason.
While I am not particularly happy that gEDA development (within which I
include both lepton, xorn, pcb, and pcb-rnd) has become this complicated
web of forks and seemingly unmaintained software, I for one am relieved
that lepton exists so I can still use my old schematics.
As an aside, I might note that lepton forked gschem at an unfortunate
point. The gschem UI is in a state in lepton which, in my opinion, is very
annoying. The side panels are pretty useless as they stand now to have
permanent residence on a big portion of the screen. Gschem did go through
that same phase, which was when I started using the git head more regularly
once they cleaned up that side panel layout and made it more useful. It
would be nice if lepton could do something about it as well.
I do not wish to belittle the effort it takes to create and maintain these
pieces of software or start some kind of flame war, but I do think this
fork and associated issues will have to be resolved one way or the other
sooner rather than later, or gEDA (and lepton) will continue to leak
mindshare. My suspicion is that the fork which is able to keep distribution
packages and installers updated will be the one that wins out. We're
already talking about investigating the use of kicad, even though we have a
number of hand rolled tools which specifically depend on the much
friendlier file format of gschem.
On Sat, 5 Sep, 2020, 12:32 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I think I have been mixed up in problems and arguments I dont understand.
> Please compare my situation as a user of gEDA with the situation I am in
> now. With gEDA I could install it by a simple statement or a click in
> Ubuntu programs and I had access to a very good tutorial. Now I have spen=
t
> 4 days installing Lepton-eda and I am not finished yet and there is no
> tutorial. I am also left with the feeling that the Lepton-eda project is =
in
> trouble. Is there an authorised version of Lepton-eda? Is there a tutoria=
l
> coming? What is Ubuntu's role now? Does gEDA still exist and being
> maintained?
> I realize that "you guys" work out of interest for the project, but I
> would just like to know the situation so I can decide wether I should go
> back to Ubuntu 18.01 and gEDA or wether I should continue my installation
> and wait for a tutorial.
> Am I the only user in difficulty?
> Best regards
> torben
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 7:55 PM Vladimir Zhbanov (vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 06:05:19PM +0200, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT co=
m)
>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > Done processing. Work performed:
>> > 2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.pcb.
>> >
>> > Next step:
>> > 1. Run pcb on your file board.pcb.
>> > You will find all your footprints in a bundle ready for you to pla=
ce
>> > or disperse with "Select -> Disperse all elements" in PCB.
>> >
>> > 2. From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and select
>> > board.net to load the netlist.
>> >
>> > 3. From within PCB, enter
>> >
>> > :ExecuteFile(board.cmd)
>> >
>> > to propagate the pin names of all footprints to the layout.
>> >
>> > torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/lepton-cli/proj1$ pcb board.pcb
>> >
>> > (pcb:8515): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 17:57:26.755: IA__gtk_window_resize:
>> assertion
>> > 'width > 0' failed
>> > Killed
>> >
>> > As it appears I get a blank screen?
>> >
>> > Are the files set up as shown below correct? - it is taken straight ou=
t
>> of
>> > gsch2pcb tutorial:
>> >
>> > torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/lepton-cli/proj1$ ls
>> > alarm1.sch packages project
>>
>>
>> Cannot say anything since I cannot see their contents :-)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Vladimir
>>
>> (=CE=BB)=CE=B5=CF=80=CF=84=CF=8C=CE=BD EDA =E2=80=94 https://github.com/=
lepton-eda
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I have actually had quite the reverse experience on Ubunt=
u 20.04 LTS. While gEDA was not in the repositories, lepton was or was almo=
st trivially installable. Older ubuntu versions came with an outdated gEDA =
in the repositories so I've been compiling gEDA from release source tar=
balls and git for quite some time now, but after about a half hour of deali=
ng with dependencies and the build still failing I just gave up and decided=
to use lepton.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This fol=
lowed an issue with gEDA on a previous Ubuntu install (probably 19.10) wher=
e all of a sudden gschem segfaults on start-up for no apparent reason.=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">While I am not parti=
cularly happy that gEDA development (within which I include both lepton, xo=
rn, pcb, and pcb-rnd) has become this complicated web of forks and seemingl=
y unmaintained software, I for one am relieved that lepton exists so I can =
still use my old schematics.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div di=
r=3D"auto">As an aside, I might note that lepton forked gschem at an unfort=
unate point. The gschem UI is in a state in lepton which, in my opinion, is=
very annoying. The side panels are pretty useless as they stand now to hav=
e permanent residence on a big portion of the screen. Gschem did go through=
that same phase, which was when I started using the git head more regularl=
y once they cleaned up that side panel layout and made it more useful. It w=
ould be nice if lepton could do something about it as well.=C2=A0</div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I do not wish to belittle the eff=
ort it takes to create and maintain these pieces of software or start some =
kind of flame war, but I do think this fork and associated issues will have=
to be resolved one way or the other sooner rather than later, or gEDA (and=
lepton) will continue to leak mindshare. My suspicion is that the fork whi=
ch is able to keep distribution packages and installers updated will be the=
one that wins out. We're already talking about investigating the use o=
f kicad, even though we have a number of hand rolled tools which specifical=
ly depend on the much friendlier file format of gschem.</div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 5 Sep, 2020, 12:32 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:=
friistf AT gmail DOT com">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help@=
delorie.com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT de=
lorie.com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,<br>I think I have bee=
n mixed up in problems and arguments I dont understand.<br>Please compare m=
y situation as a user of gEDA with the situation I am in now. With gEDA I c=
ould install it by a simple statement or a click in Ubuntu programs and I h=
ad access to a very good tutorial. Now I have spent 4 days installing Lepto=
n-eda and I am not finished yet and there is no tutorial. I am also left wi=
th the feeling that the Lepton-eda project is in trouble. Is there an autho=
rised version of Lepton-eda? Is there a tutorial coming? What is Ubuntu'=
;s role now? Does gEDA still exist and being maintained?<br>I realize that =
"you guys" work out of interest for the project, but I would just=
like to know the situation so I can decide wether I should go back to Ubun=
tu 18.01 and gEDA or wether I should continue my installation and wait for =
a tutorial.<br>Am I the only user in difficulty?<br>Best regards<br>torben<=
/div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 7:55 PM Vladimir Zhbanov (<a href=3D"mailto:vzh=
banov AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">vzhbanov AT gmail DOT com</a=
>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delor=
ie.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Fri, S=
ep 04, 2020 at 06:05:19PM +0200, Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <=
a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer=
">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
> Done processing.=C2=A0 Work performed:<br>
> 2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.pcb.<br>
> <br>
> Next step:<br>
> 1.=C2=A0 Run pcb on your file board.pcb.<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0You will find all your footprints in a bundle ready=
for you to place<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or disperse with "Select -> Disperse all el=
ements" in PCB.<br>
> <br>
> 2.=C2=A0 From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file&qu=
ot; and select<br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://board.net" rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">board.net</a> to load the netlist.<br>
> <br>
> 3.=C2=A0 From within PCB, enter<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 :ExecuteFile(board.cmd)<br>
> <br>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to propagate the pin names of all footprints to the=
layout.<br>
> <br>
> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/lepton-cli/proj1$ pcb board.pcb<br>
> <br>
> (pcb:8515): Gtk-CRITICAL **: 17:57:26.755: IA__gtk_window_resize: asse=
rtion<br>
> 'width > 0' failed<br>
> Killed<br>
> <br>
> As it appears I get a blank screen?<br>
> <br>
> Are the files set up as shown below correct? - it is taken straight ou=
t of<br>
> gsch2pcb tutorial:<br>
> <br>
> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/lepton-cli/proj1$ ls<br>
> alarm1.sch=C2=A0 packages=C2=A0 project<br>
<br>
<br>
Cannot say anything since I cannot see their contents :-)<br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
=C2=A0 Vladimir<br>
<br>
(=CE=BB)=CE=B5=CF=80=CF=84=CF=8C=CE=BD EDA =E2=80=94 <a href=3D"https://git=
hub.com/lepton-eda" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https:/=
/github.com/lepton-eda</a><br>
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