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Hi Chad,
Thank you for your reply.
In fact I had begun combining diff. syms with different fps - I had no
other choice. I have also started to modify fps to serve my needs. There is
a long way to go, though. I think that the only requirement there is, is
that the pin configuration is the same for sym and fp or at least that the
number of pins in sym and fp is the same (or at least that the number of
holes in the fp is not less that the number of pins in the sym)?
Best regards
torben
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:23 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> The only way to tell if a footprint is "correct" is to measure the part
> you intend to install in it, and compare those dimensions against those of
> the footprint. Every footprint in the library is correct for some version
> of some part that was produced. You can generally trust that a SOIC-8 part
> will fit on any version of a SOIC-8 footprint. However, the footprint
> designer may have had reflow soldering in mind, and made the pads only
> slightly larger than the pins, whereas you may have hand-soldering in mind
> and will want larger pads that are easier to work with.
>
> ECAD libraries of parts generally fall into two categories, "light" and
> "heavy". We favor the light kind. In this kind of library, generally,
> symbols are not associated with footprints, and that association is
> something that the designer has to do. This allows you to use the same
> symbol for a part that might have multiple packages. For example, you can
> buy a 741 opamp in DIP packages, SOIC packages, TSSOP, VDFN... It's exactly
> the same from an electrical perspective, only the physical realization is
> different. With a light symbol, you use the same symbol to represent all of
> these. Then you don't have to make the choice about what package to use
> until you're ready to start designing the PCB.
>
> There are also many symbols that are generic enough that they can refer to
> any of a number of components. The op-amp symbol can refer to the LM741,
> LMV321, TL971, and a slew of others. Similarly, the resistor, capacitor,
> and inductor symbols can refer to any of a near infinite number of specific
> parts. That means you don't have to generate a new symbol for a 210 ohm
> resistor, 220 ohm resistor, 221 ohm, 226 ohm... etc.
>
> In a heavy library, you do associate symbols with footprints. That means
> that you're deciding which package to use when you put down the symbol on
> the schematic. You may or may not be ready to do that when you're still
> designing the electrical circuits. It also means that now you need to have
> a symbol for each of the different packaging options (741 in a DIP-8, 741
> in a SOIC-8, 741 in a TSSOP-8...). So, now we would end up with 10 symbols
> for the 741 op-amp that were all identical, but with different footprint
> properties.
>
> The other issue with heavy symbols that can crop up if you're not careful
> is if the footprint were to change. Perhaps you make a special version of a
> SOIC-8 that has a heat sink pad underneath it for a part. Then maybe a year
> later you copy that project to use a template for a new project. In the new
> project you want the original footprint, but the way your paths are set up,
> you unintentionally pick up the modified one from your previous project.
>
> That said, there are some parts in the libraries that have unique
> footprints. In those instances, you may see the footprint attached to the
> symbol.
>
> --Chad
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 8:09 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chad Parker,
>> I am looking for 5 pin inline with a distance of 2.54 mm - the sym and fp
>> file. I can find some fp files (jumpers) that I can use, but are they
>> correct? How come sym file entries and fp file entries dont come in pairs?
>> best regards
>> torben
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 6:07 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chad Parker
>>> That was wonderfully clear - thank you very much. I have found pcb.pdf.
>>> best regards
>>> torben
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM Chad Parker (parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com)
>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The <alt>-s collision with settings menu has been resolved in master
>>>> and will be available at the next release.
>>>>
>>>> To change the size of the drill holes for pins, select all of the pins
>>>> you want to change by clicking them so that they turn blue. Then you can
>>>> use the command :ChangeHoleSize(SelectedPins, +1, mm). Note, that this will
>>>> fail if the final hole diameter is larger than the copper pad, so, you may
>>>> need to increase the size of the pad first.
>>>>
>>>> Also note that any dimension that starts with a "+" or "-" is
>>>> considered to be a delta relative to the current dimension. So, for
>>>> example, if your hole diameter is 0.5 mm, and you executed
>>>> :ChangeHoleSize(SelectedPins, +1, mm), then your hole will increase to 1.5
>>>> mm. However, if you execute :ChangeHoleSize(SelectedPins, 1, mm), then the
>>>> hole size will become 1 mm.
>>>>
>>>> If using the GTK HID, you can get a list of the current key-bindings by
>>>> looking in the "Info" menu.
>>>>
>>>> gEDA comprises many programs. Each individual program (should) have its
>>>> own user's manual. pcb does, and it should ship with pcb. Search for the
>>>> file "pcb.pdf" on your filesystem. It's probably in /usr/share/doc/pcb or
>>>> /usr/local/share/doc/pcb.
>>>>
>>>> --Chad
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:58 AM Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Glen,
>>>>> Apparently I cant use PCB, but have to use PCB-GTK. When I do I get:
>>>>>
>>>>> From http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:pcb-quick_reference:
>>>>> Alt+S sizehole increase the hole of the object under the cursor
>>>>> Alt+Shift+S sizehole (-) decrease the hole of the object under the
>>>>> cursor
>>>>> Ctrl+S sizehole increase the hole of the object under the cursor
>>>>> Ctrl+Shift+S sizehole (-) decrease the hole size
>>>>>
>>>>> Alt+s gives me Settings, Ctl+s gives me nothing
>>>>>
>>>>> :ChangeSize(SelectedPins,+1,mm) gives me nothing
>>>>>
>>>>> There a lots of tutorials, but is'nt there an authoritative manual for
>>>>> geda?
>>>>> torben
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 3:01 PM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Torben:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I typically accept the defaults.?? Since I usually only manually
>>>>>> drill PCBs, I generally do not pay too much attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use *pcb*, and if your *pcb-gtk* is using the same user input,
>>>>>> hovering the cursor over the hole and pressing just *s *should
>>>>>> increase the *size* of the annular copper ring.?? (Seemingly without
>>>>>> altering the hole diameter)?? Pressing just *k *will adjust the
>>>>>> *klearance* (*sic*)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might find the YouTube video:
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6O817_G9VE interesting as he alters
>>>>>> the sizes of vias, and I can do the same with DIP socket pins.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>> On 8/7/19 6:18 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Glen,
>>>>>> Anyway, it works.
>>>>>> I am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried
>>>>>> :ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and Alt+s while I
>>>>>> place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing changes.
>>>>>> If I succeed in changing the?? drill size (which by the way is called
>>>>>> drill width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc) stay unchanged)?
>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Torben:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not receive
>>>>>>> Saturday's message with the attachment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from your distro's
>>>>>>> repositories or cloning the github for local compiling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel files that
>>>>>>> must be installed from your distro's repository before you can start the
>>>>>>> build process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>>> On 8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Erich and Glen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get the same
>>>>>>> result.
>>>>>>> I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0) and have
>>>>>>> packages:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon theme caching
>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>> ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??cairo-based
>>>>>>> gtk+-2.0 theme engine
>>>>>>> ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??pixbuf-based theme
>>>>>>> for GTK+ 2.x
>>>>>>> ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??example files for
>>>>>>> GTK+ 2.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed
>>>>>>> circuit board (pcb) desig
>>>>>>> ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed
>>>>>>> circuit board (pcb) desig
>>>>>>> ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed
>>>>>>> circuit board (pcb) desig
>>>>>>> ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed
>>>>>>> circuit board (pcb) desig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The board.pcb file starts:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat board.pcb
>>>>>>> # release: pcb 1.99x
>>>>>>> # To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs source date) must
>>>>>>> be >= the file version
>>>>>>> FileVersion[20070407]
>>>>>>> PCB["" 600000 500000]
>>>>>>> Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]
>>>>>>> Cursor[0 0 0.000000]
>>>>>>> PolyArea[200000000.000000]
>>>>>>> Thermal[0.500000]
>>>>>>> DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]
>>>>>>> Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")
>>>>>>> Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]
>>>>>>> Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N3904" 0 0 0 100 0x00)
>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>> Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you see anything wrong?
>>>>>>> It's a real mystery.
>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 4:46 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Erich and Glen,
>>>>>>>> I have started from scratch (uninstalling - installing gEDA,??
>>>>>>>> restarting the computer.) without using sudo and I have installed gtk (sudo
>>>>>>>> apt install gtk+3.0) and the result is shown in the attached screen dump.
>>>>>>>> Same result, but there is something about gtk that I may have
>>>>>>>> misunderstood.
>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com)
>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> P.S.
>>>>>>>>> You may also want to do a *ls -l *(list -long) to see how many
>>>>>>>>> files still belong to you and how many belong to root.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You may want to *sudo chown* to move the files back to the
>>>>>>>>> correct owner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On my computer there is a difference between the user default
>>>>>>>>> permissions and root's default permissions.?? You may want to correct the
>>>>>>>>> permissions with *sudo chmod*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Torben:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You should not have to use *sudo* *(SuperUser DO) *as this
>>>>>>>>> elevates you from your user level (torben) to root user.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This may be causing issues where you are saving files as user
>>>>>>>>> *torben*, but when you become root, root's directory may be
>>>>>>>>> checked for the file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be used for specific uses
>>>>>>>>> such as installing software.?? Using it excessively can cause a typo to
>>>>>>>>> have catastrophic consequences.?? When your computer is configured
>>>>>>>>> correctly you should be able to run *gschem* or *pcb* (etc.) with
>>>>>>>>> your own user (torben) level privileges.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> Is Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo gsch2pcb
>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with 2 resistors and get:
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Done processing.?? Work performed:
>>>>>>>>> 2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.pcb.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Next step:
>>>>>>>>> 1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.
>>>>>>>>> ?? ?? You will find all your footprints in a bundle ready for you
>>>>>>>>> to place
>>>>>>>>> ?? ?? or disperse with "Select -> Disperse all elements" in PCB.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.?? From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and
>>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>>> ?? ?? board.net to load the netlist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3.?? From within PCB, enter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all footprints to the layout.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I then run:
>>>>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb board.pcb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and get:
>>>>>>>>> File 'board.pcb' has no font information, using default font
>>>>>>>>> ??
>>>>>>>>> I then get the rather empty looking screen shown attached.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can disperse the components and run the netlist, but when I run
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sudo :ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or :ExecuteFile(board.cmd))
>>>>>>>>> ??nothing happens
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Incidentally, when I run:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sudo gschem one.sch
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the curser moves to the next line. It looks as if some input is
>>>>>>>>> expected. What?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can anyone help?
>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot find it. I
>>>>>>>>>> have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but neither
>>>>>>>>>> one appeared to provide it.
>>>>>>>>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Chad,</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Thank =
you for your reply.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">In fact I had begun combining d=
iff. syms with different fps - I had no other choice. I have also started t=
o modify fps to serve my needs. There is a long way to go, though. I think =
that the only requirement there is, is that the pin configuration is the sa=
me for sym and fp or at least that the number of pins in sym and fp is the =
same (or at least that the number of holes in the fp is not less that the n=
umber of pins in the sym)?<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Best regards</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:23 PM Chad Parke=
r (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>=
) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] =
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>The only way to tell if a footprint is "correct" is=
to measure the part you intend to install in it, and compare those dimensi=
ons against those of the footprint. Every footprint in the library is corre=
ct for some version of some part that was produced. You can generally trust=
that a SOIC-8 part will fit on any version of a SOIC-8 footprint. However,=
the footprint designer may have had reflow soldering in mind, and made the=
pads only slightly larger than the pins, whereas you may have hand-solderi=
ng in mind and will want larger pads that are easier to work with.<br></div=
><div><br></div><div>ECAD libraries of parts generally fall into two catego=
ries, "light" and "heavy". We favor the light kind. In =
this kind of library, generally, symbols are not associated with footprints=
, and that association is something that the designer has to do. This allow=
s you to use the same symbol for a part that might have multiple packages. =
For example, you can buy a 741 opamp in DIP packages, SOIC packages, TSSOP,=
VDFN... It's exactly the same from an electrical perspective, only the=
physical realization is different. With a light symbol, you use the same s=
ymbol to represent all of these. Then you don't have to make the choice=
about what package to use until you're ready to start designing the PC=
B. <br></div><div><br></div><div>There are also many symbols that are gener=
ic enough that they can refer to any of a number of components. The op-amp =
symbol can refer to the LM741, LMV321, TL971, and a slew of others. Similar=
ly, the resistor, capacitor, and inductor symbols can refer to any of a nea=
r infinite number of specific parts. That means you don't have to gener=
ate a new symbol for a 210 ohm resistor, 220 ohm resistor, 221 ohm, 226 ohm=
... etc.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In a heavy library, you do associate =
symbols with footprints. That means that you're deciding which package =
to use when you put down the symbol on the schematic. You may or may not be=
ready to do that when you're still designing the electrical circuits. =
It also means that now you need to have a symbol for each of the different =
packaging options (741 in a DIP-8, 741 in a SOIC-8, 741 in a TSSOP-8...). S=
o, now we would end up with 10 symbols for the 741 op-amp that were all ide=
ntical, but with different footprint properties.</div><div><br></div><div>T=
he other issue with heavy symbols that can crop up if you're not carefu=
l is if the footprint were to change. Perhaps you make a special version of=
a SOIC-8 that has a heat sink pad underneath it for a part. Then maybe a y=
ear later you copy that project to use a template for a new project. In the=
new project you want the original footprint, but the way your paths are se=
t up, you unintentionally pick up the modified one from your previous proje=
ct.</div><div><br></div><div>That said, there are some parts in the librari=
es that have unique footprints. In those instances, you may see the footpri=
nt attached to the symbol.</div><div><br></div><div>--Chad<br></div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat,=
Aug 10, 2019 at 8:09 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com"=
target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help@=
delorie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>=
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Chad Parker,</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I am lo=
oking for 5 pin inline with a distance of 2.54 mm - the sym and fp file. I =
can find some fp files (jumpers) that I can use, but are they correct? How =
come sym file entries and fp file entries dont come in pairs?</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:large">best regards</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug=
8, 2019 at 6:07 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Ch=
ad Parker</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helv=
etica,sans-serif;font-size:large">That was wonderfully clear - thank you ve=
ry much. I have found pcb.pdf.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best regards</div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM Chad Parker=
(<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">parker.char=
les AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"=
_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie.=
com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1=
px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The <a=
lt>-s collision with settings menu has been resolved in master and will =
be available at the next release.</div><div><br></div><div>To change the si=
ze of the drill holes for pins, select all of the pins you want to change b=
y clicking them so that they turn blue. Then you can use the command :Chang=
eHoleSize(SelectedPins, +1, mm). Note, that this will fail if the final hol=
e diameter is larger than the copper pad, so, you may need to increase the =
size of the pad first. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Also note that any dim=
ension that starts with a "+" or "-" is considered to b=
e a delta relative to the current dimension. So, for example, if your hole =
diameter is 0.5 mm, and you executed :ChangeHoleSize(SelectedPins, +1, mm),=
then your hole will increase to 1.5 mm. However, if you execute :ChangeHol=
eSize(SelectedPins, 1, mm), then the hole size will become 1 mm.<br></div><=
div><br></div><div>If using the GTK HID, you can get a list of the current =
key-bindings by looking in the "Info" menu.</div><div><br></div><=
div>gEDA comprises many programs. Each individual program (should) have its=
own user's manual. pcb does, and it should ship with pcb. Search for t=
he file "pcb.pdf" on your filesystem. It's probably in /usr/s=
hare/doc/pcb or /usr/local/share/doc/pcb.</div><div><br></div><div>--Chad<b=
r></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:58 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:fri=
istf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delo=
rie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Glen,</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"=
>Apparently I cant use PCB, but have to use PCB-GTK. When I do I get:</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">From <a href=3D"http://wiki=
.geda-project.org/geda:pcb-quick_reference" target=3D"_blank">http://wiki.g=
eda-project.org/geda:pcb-quick_reference</a>:</div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Alt+S=
sizehole increase the hole of the object under the cursor<br>Alt+Shift+S=
sizehole (-) decrease the hole of the object under the cursor<br>Ctrl+S =
sizehole increase the hole of the object under the cursor<br>Ctrl+Shift+S=
sizehole (-) decrease the hole size<br><br>Alt+s gives me Settings, Ctl+=
s gives me nothing<br><br>:ChangeSize(SelectedPins,+1,mm) gives me nothing<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">There a lots of tutori=
als, but is'nt there an authoritative manual for geda?</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">torben</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 7=
, 2019 at 3:01 PM Glen W. Ruch (<a href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie=
.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>Torben:</p>
<p>I typically accept the defaults.?? Since I usually only manually
drill PCBs, I generally do not pay too much attention.</p>
<p>I use <i><b>pcb</b></i>, and if your <i><b>pcb-gtk</b></i> is
using the same user input, hovering the cursor over the hole and
pressing just <i><b>s </b></i>should increase the <i><b>size</b></i>
of the annular copper ring.?? (Seemingly without altering the hole
diameter)?? Pressing just <i><b>k </b></i>will adjust the <i><b>klear=
ance</b></i>
(<i>sic</i>) <br>
</p>
<p>You might find the YouTube video: <a href=3D"https://www.youtube.com=
/watch?v=3Ds6O817_G9VE" target=3D"_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
=3Ds6O817_G9VE</a>
interesting as he alters the sizes of vias, and I can do the same
with DIP socket pins.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5327510433970031488gmail-m_-6293932441749985812gm=
ail-m_-2103412527043690363gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-885356302495=
7483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919moz-cite-prefix">On 8/7/19 6:18 AM, Torb=
en Friis
(<a class=3D"gmail-m_5327510433970031488gmail-m_-6293932441749985812g=
mail-m_-2103412527043690363gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-88535630249=
57483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailt=
o:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a class=
=3D"gmail-m_5327510433970031488gmail-m_-6293932441749985812gmail-m_-2103412=
527043690363gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m=
_-3552897844207147919moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT del=
orie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
Glen,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">Anyway,
it works.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">I
am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried
:ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and
Alt+s while I place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing
changes.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">If
I succeed in changing the?? drill size (which by the way is
called drill width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc)
stay unchanged)?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">best
regards</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 P=
M
Glen W. Ruch (<a href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>Torben:<br>
<br>
I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not
receive Saturday's message with the attachment. <br>
<br>
At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from
your distro's repositories or cloning the github for loca=
l
compiling.<br>
<br>
If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel
files that must be installed from your distro's repositor=
y
before you can start the build process.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5327510433970031488gmail-m_-6293932441749=
985812gmail-m_-2103412527043690363gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853=
563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-c=
ite-prefix">On
8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (<a class=3D"gmail-m_53275104339=
70031488gmail-m_-6293932441749985812gmail-m_-2103412527043690363gmail-m_-57=
14977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gm=
ail-m_5351962411090118364moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:friistf AT g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a class=3D"gmail-m=
_5327510433970031488gmail-m_-6293932441749985812gmail-m_-210341252704369036=
3gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-355289784=
4207147919gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mail=
to:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] wrot=
e:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,hel=
vetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
Erich and Glen,<br>
<br>
I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get
the same result.<br>
I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0)
and have packages:<br>
<br>
ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon
theme caching utility<br>
ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ??
??cairo-based gtk+-2.0 theme engine<br>
ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ??
??pixbuf-based theme for GTK+ 2.x<br>
ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ??
??example files for GTK+ 2.0<br>
<br>
and:<br>
<br>
ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ??
?? ??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ??
??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ??
??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ??
??printed circuit board (pcb) desig<br>
<br>
The board.pcb file starts:<br>
<br>
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat
board.pcb<br>
# release: pcb 1.99x<br>
# To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs
source date) must be >=3D the file version<br>
FileVersion[20070407]<br>
PCB["" 600000 500000]<br>
Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]<br>
Cursor[0 0 0.000000]<br>
PolyArea[200000000.000000]<br>
Thermal[0.500000]<br>
DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]<br>
Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")<=
br>
Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")<br>
Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,=
6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]<br>
Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N39=
04" 0 0 0 100 0x00)<br>
(<br>
Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)<br>
.<br>
.<br>
.<br>
<br>
Can you see anything wrong?<br>
It's a real mystery.<br>
best regards<br>
torben<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 a=
t
4:46 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
Erich and Glen,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
have started from scratch (uninstalling -
installing gEDA,?? restarting the computer.)
without using sudo and I have installed gtk (sudo
apt install gtk+3.0) and the result is shown in
the attached screen dump.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Same
result, but there is something about gtk that I
may have misunderstood.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best
regards<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial=
,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 2,
2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch (<a href=3D"mailto:gw.ru=
ch AT yahoo DOT com" target=3D"_blank">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>)
[via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=
=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>P.S.<br>
You may also want to do a <b>ls -l </b>(list
-long) to see how many files still belong to
you and how many belong to root.</p>
<p>You may want to <b>sudo chown</b> to move
the files back to the correct owner.</p>
<p>On my computer there is a difference between
the user default permissions and root's
default permissions.?? You may want to correct
the permissions with <b>sudo chmod</b><br>
</p>
<p>Regards.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5327510433970031488gmail-m_-6=
293932441749985812gmail-m_-2103412527043690363gmail-m_-5714977154857875969g=
mail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_535196241109=
0118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-cite-prefi=
x">On
8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (<a class=3D"gmail-m=
_5327510433970031488gmail-m_-6293932441749985812gmail-m_-210341252704369036=
3gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-355289784=
4207147919gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-42=
8759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com"=
target=3D"_blank">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>)
[via <a class=3D"gmail-m_5327510433970031488gmail=
-m_-6293932441749985812gmail-m_-2103412527043690363gmail-m_-571497715485787=
5969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_5351962=
411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-l=
ink-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<p>Torben:</p>
<p>You should not have to use <i><b>sudo</b></i>
<i><b>(SuperUser DO) </b></i>as this
elevates you from your user level (torben)
to root user. <br>
</p>
<p>This may be causing issues where you are
saving files as user <i><b>torben</b></i>,
but when you become root, root's directory
may be checked for the file.</p>
<p>sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be
used for specific uses such as installing
software.?? Using it excessively can cause a
typo to have catastrophic consequences.??
When your computer is configured correctly
you should be able to run <i><b>gschem</b></i>
or <i><b>pcb</b></i> (etc.) with your own
user (torben) level privileges.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5327510433970031488gmail-m_=
-6293932441749985812gmail-m_-2103412527043690363gmail-m_-571497715485787596=
9gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_5351962411=
090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-cite-pre=
fix">On
7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (<a class=3D"gmai=
l-m_5327510433970031488gmail-m_-6293932441749985812gmail-m_-210341252704369=
0363gmail-m_-5714977154857875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-355289=
7844207147919gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_=
-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT c=
om" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>)
[via <a class=3D"gmail-m_5327510433970031488gma=
il-m_-6293932441749985812gmail-m_-2103412527043690363gmail-m_-5714977154857=
875969gmail-m_-8853563024957483338gmail-m_-3552897844207147919gmail-m_53519=
62411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt=
-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">=
geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is
Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:<br=
>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-77=
3G:~/gaf/myproject3$
sudo gsch2pcb project</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">
with 2 resistors and get:<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">--------------------------=
--------<br>
Done processing.?? Work performed:<br>
2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added
to board.pcb.<br>
<br>
Next step:<br>
1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.<br>
?? ?? You will find all your footprints
in a bundle ready for you to place<br>
?? ?? or disperse with "Select ->
Disperse all elements" in PCB.<br>
<br>
2.?? From within PCB, select "File -&g=
t;
Load netlist file" and select <br>
?? ?? <a href=3D"http://board.net" target=
=3D"_blank">board.net</a>
to load the netlist.<br>
<br>
3.?? From within PCB, enter<br>
<br>
?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)<br=
>
<br>
?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all
footprints to the layout.<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
then run:<br>
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb board.pcb<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">and
get:<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">File
'board.pcb' has no font information=
,
using default font<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">??<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
then get the rather empty looking screen
shown attached.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
can disperse the components and run the
netlist, but when I run</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">sudo
:ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or
:ExecuteFile(board.cmd))</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">??nothing
happens</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Incidentally,
when I run:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">sudo
gschem one.sch</div>
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mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">the
curser moves to the next line. It looks
as if some input is expected. What?<br>
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mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
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ans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">Can anyone help?</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">best regards</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">torben</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu,
Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis
<<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
have been looking fo the above
element, but I cannot find it. I
have been looking for .../newlib and
found it in two places, but neither
one appeared to provide it.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is
there anywhere else I can look for
it?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
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