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Hi Glen,
Anyway, it works.
I am trying to change drill size for a pin in PCB. I have tried
:ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select a pin?) and Alt+s while I
place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing changes.
If I succeed in changing the drill size (which by the way is called drill
width), will the other dimensions (annular, etc) stay unchanged)?
best regards
torben
On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
> Torben:
>
> I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not receive Saturday's
> message with the attachment.
>
> At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from your distro's
> repositories or cloning the github for local compiling.
>
> If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel files that must
> be installed from your distro's repository before you can start the build
> process.
>
> Hope this helps
> On 8/5/19 5:43 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>
> Hi Erich and Glen,
>
> I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get the same result.
> I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0) and have packages:
>
> ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon theme caching
> utility
> ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??cairo-based gtk+-2.0
> theme engine
> ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??pixbuf-based theme for
> GTK+ 2.x
> ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??example files for GTK+
> 2.0
>
> and:
>
> ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit
> board (pcb) desig
> ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit
> board (pcb) desig
> ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit
> board (pcb) desig
> ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed circuit
> board (pcb) desig
>
> The board.pcb file starts:
>
> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat board.pcb
> # release: pcb 1.99x
> # To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs source date) must be >=
> the file version
> FileVersion[20070407]
> PCB["" 600000 500000]
> Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]
> Cursor[0 0 0.000000]
> PolyArea[200000000.000000]
> Thermal[0.500000]
> DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]
> Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")
> Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")
>
> Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]
> Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N3904" 0 0 0 100 0x00)
> (
> Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)
> .
> .
> .
>
> Can you see anything wrong?
> It's a real mystery.
> best regards
> torben
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 4:46 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Erich and Glen,
>> I have started from scratch (uninstalling - installing gEDA,?? restarting
>> the computer.) without using sudo and I have installed gtk (sudo apt
>> install gtk+3.0) and the result is shown in the attached screen dump.
>> Same result, but there is something about gtk that I may have
>> misunderstood.
>> best regards
>> torben
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> P.S.
>>> You may also want to do a *ls -l *(list -long) to see how many files
>>> still belong to you and how many belong to root.
>>>
>>> You may want to *sudo chown* to move the files back to the correct
>>> owner.
>>>
>>> On my computer there is a difference between the user default
>>> permissions and root's default permissions.?? You may want to correct the
>>> permissions with *sudo chmod*
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>
>>> Torben:
>>>
>>> You should not have to use *sudo* *(SuperUser DO) *as this elevates you
>>> from your user level (torben) to root user.
>>>
>>> This may be causing issues where you are saving files as user *torben*,
>>> but when you become root, root's directory may be checked for the file.
>>>
>>> sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be used for specific uses such
>>> as installing software.?? Using it excessively can cause a typo to have
>>> catastrophic consequences.?? When your computer is configured correctly you
>>> should be able to run *gschem* or *pcb* (etc.) with your own user
>>> (torben) level privileges.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> On 7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Is Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:
>>>
>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo gsch2pcb project
>>>
>>> with 2 resistors and get:
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Done processing.?? Work performed:
>>> 2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to board.pcb.
>>>
>>> Next step:
>>> 1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.
>>> ?? ?? You will find all your footprints in a bundle ready for you to
>>> place
>>> ?? ?? or disperse with "Select -> Disperse all elements" in PCB.
>>>
>>> 2.?? From within PCB, select "File -> Load netlist file" and select
>>> ?? ?? board.net to load the netlist.
>>>
>>> 3.?? From within PCB, enter
>>>
>>> ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)
>>>
>>> ?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all footprints to the layout.
>>>
>>> I then run:
>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$ sudo pcb board.pcb
>>>
>>> and get:
>>> File 'board.pcb' has no font information, using default font
>>> ??
>>> I then get the rather empty looking screen shown attached.
>>>
>>> I can disperse the components and run the netlist, but when I run
>>>
>>> sudo :ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or :ExecuteFile(board.cmd))
>>> ??nothing happens
>>>
>>> Incidentally, when I run:
>>>
>>> sudo gschem one.sch
>>>
>>> the curser moves to the next line. It looks as if some input is
>>> expected. What?
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone help?
>>> best regards
>>> torben
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi ,
>>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot find it. I have
>>>> been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, but neither one
>>>> appeared to provide it.
>>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>> torben
>>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Glen,</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Anyway=
, it works.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I am trying to change drill size for a =
pin in PCB. I have tried :ChangeSize(SelectedPins, +2000) (how do I select =
a pin?) and Alt+s while I place the crossed lines on a pin, but nothing cha=
nges.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large">If I succeed in changing the=C2=A0 drill size=
(which by the way is called drill width), will the other dimensions (annul=
ar, etc) stay unchanged)?</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">best regards</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large">torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 1:38 PM Glen W. Ruch (=
<a href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D=
"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
=20
=20
=20
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>Torben:<br>
<br>
I am not seeing the issue.?? Probably because I did not receive
Saturday's message with the attachment. <br>
<br>
At this point I cannot tell if you are installing from your
distro's repositories or cloning the github for local compiling.<=
br>
<br>
If compiling locally, there are quite a number of -devel files
that must be installed from your distro's repository before you
can start the build process.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-cite-prefix">On 8/5/19 5:4=
3 AM, Torben Friis
(<a class=3D"gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-txt-link-abbreviated" hre=
f=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [vi=
a <a class=3D"gmail-m_5351962411090118364moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"=
mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] =
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
Erich and Glen,<br>
<br>
I have run the geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial again and I get the same
result.<br>
I have installed gtk2.0 (sudo apt-get install gtk2.0) and have
packages:<br>
<br>
ii ??gtk-update-ico 3.22.30-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??icon theme
caching utility<br>
ii ??gtk2-engines-m 0.98.2-2ubun amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??cairo-based
gtk+-2.0 theme engine<br>
ii ??gtk2-engines-p 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??pixbuf-based
theme for GTK+ 2.x<br>
ii ??gtk2.0-example 2.24.32-1ubu amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??example files f=
or
GTK+ 2.0<br>
<br>
and:<br>
<br>
ii ??pcb ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printe=
d circuit
board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-common ?? ?? 1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??all ?? ?? ?? ?? ??printed ci=
rcuit
board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-gtk ?? ?? ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed c=
ircuit
board (pcb) desig<br>
ii ??pcb-lesstif ?? ??1:4.0.2-4 ?? ??amd64 ?? ?? ?? ??printed cir=
cuit
board (pcb) desig<br>
<br>
The board.pcb file starts:<br>
<br>
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ cat board.pcb<br>
# release: pcb 1.99x<br>
# To read pcb files, the pcb version (or the cvs source date)
must be >=3D the file version<br>
FileVersion[20070407]<br>
PCB["" 600000 500000]<br>
Grid[10000.000000 0 0 0]<br>
Cursor[0 0 0.000000]<br>
PolyArea[200000000.000000]<br>
Thermal[0.500000]<br>
DRC[1000 1000 1000 1000 1500 1000]<br>
Flags("nameonpcb,uniquename,clearnew,snappin")<br>
Groups("1,c:2:3:4:5:6,s:7:8")<br>
Styles["Signal,1000,3600,2000,1000:Power,2500,6000,3500,1000:Fat,4000,=
6000,3500,1000:Skinny,600,2402,1181,600"]<br>
Element(0x00 "TO92" "Q201" "2N3904"=
0 0 0 100 0x00)<br>
(<br>
Pin(250 200 72 42 "1" 0x101)<br>
.<br>
.<br>
.<br>
<br>
Can you see anything wrong?<br>
It's a real mystery.<br>
best regards<br>
torben<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 4:46 P=
M
Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_=
blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi
Erich and Glen,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
have started from scratch (uninstalling - installing
gEDA,?? restarting the computer.) without using sudo and I
have installed gtk (sudo apt install gtk+3.0) and the
result is shown in the attached screen dump.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">Same
result, but there is something about gtk that I may have
misunderstood.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">best
regards<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at
8:07 AM Glen W. Ruch (<a href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com</a>)
[via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blan=
k">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
<<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank=
">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>P.S.<br>
You may also want to do a <b>ls -l </b>(list -long)
to see how many files still belong to you and how many
belong to root.</p>
<p>You may want to <b>sudo chown</b> to move the files
back to the correct owner.</p>
<p>On my computer there is a difference between the user
default permissions and root's default permissions.??
You may want to correct the permissions with <b>sudo
chmod</b><br>
</p>
<p>Regards.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093=
109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-cite-prefix">On
8/1/19 4:34 PM, Glen W. Ruch (<a class=3D"gmail-m_5351962=
411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-l=
ink-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:gw DOT ruch AT yahoo DOT com" target=3D"_blank">gw.ruc=
h AT yahoo DOT com</a>) [via <a class=3D"gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_656829=
1093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"m=
ailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<p>Torben:</p>
<p>You should not have to use <i><b>sudo</b></i> <i><b>(S=
uperUser
DO) </b></i>as this elevates you from your user
level (torben) to root user. <br>
</p>
<p>This may be causing issues where you are saving
files as user <i><b>torben</b></i>, but when you
become root, root's directory may be checked for th=
e
file.</p>
<p>sudo is a dangerous tool and is meant to be used
for specific uses such as installing software.??
Using it excessively can cause a typo to have
catastrophic consequences.?? When your computer is
configured correctly you should be able to run <i><b>gs=
chem</b></i>
or <i><b>pcb</b></i> (etc.) with your own user
(torben) level privileges.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_65682910=
93109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-cite-prefix">On
7/30/19 7:11 AM, Torben Friis (<a class=3D"gmail-m_5351=
962411090118364gmail-m_6568291093109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-tx=
t-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">fri=
istf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via
<a class=3D"gmail-m_5351962411090118364gmail-m_65682910=
93109405877gmail-m_-428759268849965292moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mai=
lto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>]
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is
Wilson's tutorial up-to-date? I run:<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf=
/myproject3$
sudo gsch2pcb project</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">
with 2 resistors and get:<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">----------------------------------=
<br>
Done processing.?? Work performed:<br>
2 file elements and 0 m4 elements added to
board.pcb.<br>
<br>
Next step:<br>
1.?? Run pcb on your file board.pcb.<br>
?? ?? You will find all your footprints in a
bundle ready for you to place<br>
?? ?? or disperse with "Select -> Disperse
all elements" in PCB.<br>
<br>
2.?? From within PCB, select "File -> Load
netlist file" and select <br>
?? ?? <a href=3D"http://board.net" target=3D"_blank=
">board.net</a>
to load the netlist.<br>
<br>
3.?? From within PCB, enter<br>
<br>
?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??:ExecuteFile(board.cmd)<br>
<br>
?? ?? to propagate the pin names of all
footprints to the layout.<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
then run:<br>
torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject3$
sudo pcb board.pcb<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">and
get:<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">File
'board.pcb' has no font information, using
default font<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">??<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
then get the rather empty looking screen shown
attached.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I
can disperse the components and run the netlist,
but when I run</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">sudo
:ExecuteFile(board.cmd) (or
:ExecuteFile(board.cmd))</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">??nothing
happens</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Incidentally,
when I run:</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">sudo
gschem one.sch</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">the
curser moves to the next line. It looks as if
some input is expected. What?<br>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">Can anyone help?</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">best regards</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">torben</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14,
2019 at 3:04 PM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:=
friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>>
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<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
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have been looking fo the above element, but
I cannot find it. I have been looking for
.../newlib and found it in two places, but
neither one appeared to provide it.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is
there anywhere else I can look for it?</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br>
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