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Hi Erich,
The use of libraries is rather confusing. First, there appears to be quite
a few to select from if I want to use what is not in the standard library
(introduce my own sym/fp pairs). Is it possible to indicate one to use?
Second, there appears to be a lot more fp items than sym items. What do I
do with fp items without a sym item? After all, it is the sym item I select
and I should then get the associated fp item automatically.
torben
On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:04 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
> Hi Erich,
> I think that I have established my Linux OS OK and I have executed "sudo
> apt-get install geda".
>
> I have done:
>
> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo touch one.sch
> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo chmod 644 one.sch
> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l
> total 0
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 25 21:21 one.sch
> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo gschem one.sch
>
> I get the one.sch - gschem screen as expected, but when I do Add-Componen=
t
> I get a very tiny symbol in spite of the symbol shown in Preview being
> normal size.
>
> I then proceed to click "View-Zoom Extents" and I get a large symbol whic=
h
> I reduce in size (Shift-z) to make room for other symbols. When I add oth=
er
> symbols they are normal size.
>
> Is that the way to do it?
>
> If I now do:
> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l
> total 8
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 719 Jul 25 21:54 one.sch
> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 13 Jul 25 21:43 one.sch~
>
> Is that (one.sch~) OK?
>
> Is there a way to change the size of a single symbol?
>
> That was a lot of questions!
> torben
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:41 PM Torben Friis <friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Erich,
>> I have had to install the newest version of Ubuntu - it has taken some
>> time to figure out that it was necessary..
>> torben
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:10 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via
>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>
>>> Two possible errors come to mind.
>>>
>>> If you look at the templates i linked to previously, you can see how PC=
B
>>> is told about the element directory, which in your case will be
>>> "pcb-elements", by the various ....rc files, and check that yours are s=
et
>>> up right.
>>>
>>> You also need to ensure you have the footprint attributes attached to
>>> your device symbols in the schematic, as previously described, or PCB w=
ill
>>> not know which footprints are needed when parsing the netlist
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Erich.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Erich,
>>>> That helped a lot!
>>>> I now have:
>>>>
>>>> ls /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>> 2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym 3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym PICAXE-14M.sym
>>>> ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>> DIP14.fp mors_2p.fp mors_3p.fp
>>>>
>>>> For Add-Component I get:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> local
>>>> > Basic devices
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> and when i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:
>>>>
>>>> 2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
>>>> 3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym
>>>> PICAXE-14M
>>>>
>>>> Now I am supposed to enter:
>>>>
>>>> gschem one.sch
>>>>
>>>> When I do I get error messages about a missing one.sch and the curser
>>>> goes to the next line. Actually that is not surprising considering tha=
t
>>>> that one.sch does not yet exist.
>>>> When I then fill in the schema and run
>>>> /home/torben/gaf/myproject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:
>>>>
>>>> No elements found, so nothing to do.
>>>>
>>>> I have saved one.sch so that is another surprise - can you help?
>>>> best regards
>>>> torben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates in
>>>>>
>>>>> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
>>>>> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
>>>>> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
>>>>>
>>>>> The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor
>>>>> and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances=
.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to learn about the format, I recommend
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 06:37 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Erich,
>>>>>> Where do I find the hole spacing and the hole size in you fp:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" "" 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
>>>>>> (
>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
>>>>>> ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
>>>>>> ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
>>>>>> ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>>> ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>>> ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
>>>>>> Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "square"]
>>>>>> Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
>>>>>> Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""]
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good work on the file system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I usually create a project directory and put my usual/frequently
>>>>>>> used footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depending on th=
e naming
>>>>>>> convention in the template being used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main thing is to ensure that the screw terminals you are using
>>>>>>> are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and annulus sizes can be easi=
ly
>>>>>>> modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is harder to modify =
in an
>>>>>>> existing footprint. You should always check that footprints you sou=
rce from
>>>>>>> elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before sending off the bo=
ard for
>>>>>>> fabrication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin
>>>>>>> footprint, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane.
>>>>>>> Sometimes imported symbols like the one you mention need to have th=
e pin
>>>>>>> name changed to "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist beh=
ave when
>>>>>>> imported into the layout editor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzle,
>>>>>>>> I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>>> /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>> (cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> but I will setup my system as you have set up yours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I need to have some screw terminals set up and I found yours:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could not find the corresponding sym file. Is there one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I set footprint to
>>>>>>>> mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter
>>>>>>>> /user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp i=
n the
>>>>>>>> /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements file?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that OK with
>>>>>>>> mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (a1039181 AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per-project
>>>>>>>>> directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectori=
es with
>>>>>>>>> their local foorprints and symbols.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes or changes
>>>>>>>>> to elements subsequently.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thought
>>>>>>>>> about much.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here are some examples on github which should show you how to aim
>>>>>>>>> the layout editor at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packag=
es" in
>>>>>>>>> these examples
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These examples should show you how it can be done
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erich.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 01:16 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>> I think so. If I may reformulate it to show that I understand:
>>>>>>>>>> The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a statement: footprint unknown.
>>>>>>>>>> When I enter the symbol on the schematic I add the footprint att=
ribute
>>>>>>>>>> DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symbol file and=
find the
>>>>>>>>>> DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then the files:
>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym
>>>>>>>>>> PICAXE-14M.sym)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>>>>> (ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements
>>>>>>>>>> DIP14.fp)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>>>> (cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc
>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> should do the job?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the
>>>>>>>>>> PICAXE14M.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > Basic devices
>>>>>>>>>> > Connectors (generic)
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I want to understand the stuff completely and really appreciate
>>>>>>>>>> your help.
>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (
>>>>>>>>>> a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In general, gschem is unaware of footprint file names, or the
>>>>>>>>>>> details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol from a s=
ymbol library
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The usual procedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic
>>>>>>>>>>> from a library, is to add an "attribute" to the symbol, in this=
case a
>>>>>>>>>>> "footprint" attribute, equal to "DIP14"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute within
>>>>>>>>>>> the picaxe instance, along the libes of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "footprint=3DDIP18"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay out uour design,
>>>>>>>>>>> is the software that has an understanding of footprint attribut=
es, and will
>>>>>>>>>>> search its library paths for a DIP18
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does that help?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via
>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com], <geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>>>> It should have been:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/DIP14.fp
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /home=
/.gEDA/gafrc file
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in=
the libraries list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When in http://www.gedasymbols.org/ i search for screw termina=
l I get a lot of .fp files, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is rather confusing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 AM Torben Friis <
>>>>>>>>>>>> friistf AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Erich Heinzie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After following your advice (a long time ago) I have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/gschem-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (component-library-search "../gschem-sym") in the /home/.gEDA=
$/gafrc file
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click Add->=
Component in gEDA schmatic?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinzle (
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a1039181 AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE=
-14M.sym?dl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .sym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for use in the gschem schematic editor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor will b=
e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can place the respective files in the same directory as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedi=
cated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directories in their project directory for symbols and for f=
ootprints.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (friistf AT gmail DOT com)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <geda-help AT delorie DOT com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found DIP14:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks different from your file if I view it..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where should I store the file you sent (if it is the file I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should store)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICA=
XE-14M.sym
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks like the package is a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should work as the footprint.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Chad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friistf AT gmail DOT com) [via geda-help AT delorie DOT com] <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> geda-help AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been looking fo the above element, but I cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it =
in two places, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neither one appeared to provide it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anywhere else I can look for it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> torben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,</div><div class=3D"gmail_defa=
ult" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">The u=
se of libraries is rather confusing. First, there appears to be quite a few=
to select from if I want to use what is not in the standard library (intro=
duce my own sym/fp pairs). Is it possible to indicate one to use? Second, t=
here appears to be a lot more fp items than sym items. What do I do with fp=
items without a sym item? After all, it is the sym item I select and I sho=
uld then get the associated fp item automatically.</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">=
torben<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:04 PM Torben Friis <<a href=
=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large">Hi Erich,<br>I think that I have established my Linux OS OK and I =
have executed "sudo apt-get install geda".<br><br>I have done:<br=
><br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo touch one.sch<br>t=
orben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ sudo chmod 644 one.sch<br>tor=
ben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l<br>total 0<br>-rw-r--r-- =
1 root root 0 Jul 25 21:21 one.sch<br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/my=
project1$ sudo gschem one.sch<br><br>I get the one.sch - gschem screen as e=
xpected, but when I do Add-Component I get a very tiny symbol =C2=A0in spit=
e of the symbol shown in Preview being normal size.<br><br>I then proceed t=
o click "View-Zoom Extents" and I get a large symbol which I redu=
ce in size (Shift-z) to make room for other symbols. When I add other symbo=
ls they are normal size.<br><br>Is that the way to do it?<br><br>If I now d=
o:<br>torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~/gaf/myproject1$ ls -l<br>total 8<br>-r=
w-r--r-- 1 root root 719 Jul 25 21:54 one.sch<br>-r--r--r-- 1 root root =C2=
=A013 Jul 25 21:43 one.sch~ <br><br>Is that (one.sch~) OK?<br><br>Is there =
a way to change the size of a single symbol?<br><br>That was a lot of quest=
ions!<br>torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:41 PM Torben Friis <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>>=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:large"><font size=3D"2">Hi Erich,</font></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large"><font size=3D"2">I have had to install the newest version of Ub=
untu - it has taken some time to figure out that it was necessary..</font><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:large"><font size=3D"2">torben</font><br></div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul=
22, 2019 at 2:10 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT d=
elorie.com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> =
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"auto"><div>Two possible errors come to mind.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you look at the templates i linked to previousl=
y, you can see how PCB is told about the element directory, which in your c=
ase will be "pcb-elements", by the various ....rc files, and chec=
k that yours are set up right.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D=
"auto">You also need to ensure you have the footprint attributes attached t=
o your device symbols in the schematic, as previously described, or PCB wil=
l not know which footprints are needed when parsing the netlist</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"au=
to"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 20:55 Torben =
Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ged=
a-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich,</div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:large">That helped a lot! <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I now have:</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">ls /home/torben/gaf/gsch=
em-sym<br>2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A03_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym =C2=A0PICAXE-14=
M.sym</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:large">ls /home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements<br>DIP14.fp =
=C2=A0mors_2p.fp =C2=A0mors_3p.fp <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:large">For Add-Component I get:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:large">></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">local</div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge">> Basic devices</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">.</div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">.<=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:large">.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge">and when i double-click the empty space at the top, I get:</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">2_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large">3_SCREW_CONNECTOR.sym</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">PICAXE-14M</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Now I am supposed to enter=
:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">gschem one.sch</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">When I do I get error messa=
ges about a missing one.sch and the curser goes to the next line. Actually =
that is not surprising considering that that one.sch does not yet exist.</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:large">When I then fill in the schema and run /home/torben/g=
af/myproject3/gsch2pcb project I get the error message:</div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:la=
rge"><br></div><div><font size=3D"4">No elements found, so nothing to do</f=
ont>.</div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">I have saved one.sch so t=
hat is another surprise - can you help?</div><div style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large" class=3D"gmail_default">best regard=
s</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large=
" class=3D"gmail_default">torben<br></div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,=
helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-f=
amily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:lar=
ge"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helve=
tica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family=
:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,=
sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 AM Erich=
Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-he=
lp AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT d=
elorie.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><d=
iv>Rather than learning to read the x and y coordinates in=C2=A0</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><pre>Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1=
_" "square"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
</pre>The simplest thing is to open the footprint file in the layout editor=
and use the cursor and or the measure function to determine distances.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If you want to learn about =
the format, I recommend</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<a href=3D"http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ssalewski.de/PcbFootprintRef.txt</a=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 21 Jul 20=
19 06:37 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a =
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:ged=
a-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:larg=
e">Hi Erich,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,h=
elvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Where do I find the hole spacing and t=
he hole size in you fp:</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large=
"><pre>Element["" "N MORS 3P " "" ""=
; 0 0 0 -23000 0 100 ""]
(
ElementLine[-30000 18000 -30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 14000 30000 14000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 14000 30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 18000 -30000 18000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 -18000 30000 -18000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 -18000 30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[-30000 15000 -30000 -15000 1000]
ElementLine[30000 15000 30000 -15000 1000]
Pin[-20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_1_" "squa=
re"]
Pin[0 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_2_" ""]
Pin[20000 0 11810 2000 12610 4920 "0" "_3_" ""=
;]
)<br></pre><pre>best regards<br></pre><pre>torben<br></pre></div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ju=
l 20, 2019 at 2:25 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" =
rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039=
181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delor=
ie.com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</=
a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><div>Good work on the file system.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I usually create a project directory and put my =
usual/frequently used footprints in the packages or fp subdirectory, depend=
ing on the naming convention in the template being used.</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The main thing is to ensure that the=C2=A0=
screw terminals you are using are spaced 0.2 inches apart. The hole and an=
nulus sizes can be easily modified in the layout editor, but pin spacing is=
harder to modify in an existing footprint. You should always check that fo=
otprints you source from elsewhere have sane annuli and hole sizes before s=
ending off the board for fabrication.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"auto">You are right, any three pin symbol can map to a three pin fo=
otprint, provided that the pin labels on the footprint are sane. Sometimes =
imported symbols like the one you mention need to have the pin name changed=
to "1" instead of "_1_" etc... To make the netlist beh=
ave when imported into the layout editor.<br><br>Regards,</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" d=
ir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:22=
Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via =
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>], <<a href=
=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div sty=
le=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Hein=
zle,<br>I solved the immediate problem by changing the file system to:.<br>=
<br><br>/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym<br>/home/torben/gaf/pcb-elements<br>/ho=
me/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/torben/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(component-librar=
y-search "/home/torben/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><br>but I will setup m=
y system as you have set up yours.<br><br>I need to have some screw termina=
ls set up and I found yours:<br><br>/user/erich_heinzle/kicad/footprints/w_=
conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp<br><br>I could not find the corresponding sym fil=
e. Is there one?<br><br>I suppose I can use any(!) sym file as long as I se=
t footprint to mors_3p.fp in the sym file and enter /user/erich_heinzle/kic=
ad/footprints/w_conn_screw.mod/mors_3p.fp in the /home/torben/gaf/pcb-eleme=
nts file?<br><br>The pins in my screw terminals are =C3=B8 1 mm - is that O=
K with mors_3p.fp (I dont know how to read a fp-file)?<br><br>best regards<=
br>torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 1:09 AM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"m=
ailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mai=
lto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"=
mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">=
<div dir=3D"auto">Most users, myself included, set up a template, for a per=
-project directory, which has the needed gafrc etc files, and subdirectorie=
s with their local foorprints and symbols.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">This keeps a given design safe from filesystem changes o=
r changes to elements subsequently.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">It also means that once set up, it doesn't need to be thoug=
ht about much.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Here are =
some examples on github which should show you how to aim the layout editor =
at a partucular directory, i.e. "fp" or "packages" in t=
hese examples</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D=
"https://github.com/miloh/gEDA-git-template" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/miloh=
/gEDA-git-template</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o"><a href=3D"https://github.com/nocko/gEDA-template" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.=
com/nocko/gEDA-template</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><a href=3D"https://github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://=
github.com/wojciechk8/geda-sym</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">These examples should show you how it can be done</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich.</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 =
01:16 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmai=
l.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT de=
lorie.com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
s-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,<br>I think so. If I may reformul=
ate it to show that I understand:<br>The PICAXE14M.sym file contains a stat=
ement: footprint unknown. When I enter the symbol on the schematic I add th=
e footprint attribute DIP14. The PCB program then picks it up from tha Symb=
ol file and find the DIP14 footprint from /home/gaf/pcb-elements.<br><br>Th=
en the files:<br>/home/gaf/gschem-sym<br>(ls /home/gaf/gschem-sym<br>PICAXE=
-14M.sym)<br><br>/home/gaf/pcb-elements<br>(ls /home/gaf/pcb-elements<br>DI=
P14.fp)<br><br>/home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(cat /home/.gEDA/gafrc<br>(component-li=
brary-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym")<br><br>should do the job?<br=
><br>But then, when I have filled in the files, how do I make the PICAXE14M=
.sym appear correctly in the add->component list?:<br><br>> Basic dev=
ices<br>> Connectors (generic)<br>.<br>.<br>.<br><br>I want to understan=
d the stuff completely and really appreciate your help.<br>best regards<br>=
torben</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:41 PM Erich Heinzle (<a href=3D"mail=
to:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</=
a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help=
@delorie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">In general, gschem is unaware of footprint fi=
le names, or the details of any other attributes you attach to a symbol fro=
m a symbol library<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The usual p=
rocedure, after adding your symbol to the schematic from a library, is to a=
dd an "attribute" to the symbol, in this case a "footprint&q=
uot; attribute, equal to "DIP14"</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">The schematic file will end up with an ectra attribute w=
ithin the picaxe instance, along the libes of</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto">"footprint=3DDIP18"</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The PCB layout editor, when you proceed to lay =
out uour design, is the software that has an understanding of footprint att=
ributes, and will search its library paths for a DIP18=C2=A0</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Does that=C2=A0help?</div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:51 Torben Friis (<a href=
=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via =
<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie=
.com</a>], <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti=
ca,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,</div><div style=3D"font-fa=
mily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It should have been:</div>=
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br><=
/div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">=
/home/gaf/DIP14.fp</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:large">and<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><pre class=3D"gmail-m_8055282110243183965gm=
ail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m=
_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_1897=
77687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811=
983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_14=
92610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-co=
de">(component-library-search "/home/gaf/gschem-sym") in the /hom=
e/.gEDA/gafrc file<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_8055282110243183965gm=
ail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m=
_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_1897=
77687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811=
983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_14=
92610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-co=
de">I still have the problem of having PICAXE14M not showing up in the libr=
aries list.<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-=
8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-21405=
74496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590m_18977768775=
0480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_58119831863=
06912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_149261095=
7059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">Whe=
n in <a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://www.gedasymbols.org/</a> i search for screw terminal I get a lot of .f=
p files, but no .sym files. How should they be handled?<br></pre><pre class=
=3D"gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_35316933=
70077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148=
386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091g=
mail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-354895190041159941=
2m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gma=
il-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">It is rather confusing.<br></pre><pre =
class=3D"gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_353=
1693370077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_18685805=
49148386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_717461526610192=
1091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411=
599412m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-78789355485401454=
37gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">best regards<br></pre><pre class=
=3D"gmail-m_8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_35316933=
70077276139m_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148=
386304m_7413857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091g=
mail-m_-6811915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-354895190041159941=
2m_-8691906944467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gma=
il-m_-5278762035596455616gmail-code">torben<br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_=
8055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m=
_8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413=
857808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811=
915406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-86919069=
44467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-527876=
2035596455616gmail-code"><br><br></pre></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:44 =
AM Torben Friis <<a href=3D"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:ari=
al,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi Erich Heinzie,</div><div style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">After following=
your advice (a long time ago) I have the following:</div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=
=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">/home/gaf/gsche=
m-sym/PICAXE-14M.sym</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-se=
rif;font-size:large">/home/gaf/pcb-elements/SIP3.fp</div><div style=3D"font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><pre class=3D"gmail-m_8=
055282110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_=
8589242386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_74138=
57808226013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-68119=
15406325326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869190694=
4467973354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762=
035596455616gmail-code">(component-library-search "../gschem-sym"=
) in the /home/.gEDA$/gafrc file<br><br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_8055282=
110243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_858924=
2386474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_74138578082=
26013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-68119154063=
25326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-869190694446797=
3354gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596=
455616gmail-code">Should not PICAXE-14M show up in Libraries when I click A=
dd->Component in gEDA schmatic?<br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_805528211=
0243183965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_85892423=
86474172575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226=
013590m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325=
326106m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-86919069444679733=
54gmail-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-527876203559645=
5616gmail-code">best regards<br></pre><pre class=3D"gmail-m_805528211024318=
3965gmail-m_-8272845942212335881gmail-m_3531693370077276139m_85892423864741=
72575m_-2140574496613393962gmail-m_1868580549148386304m_7413857808226013590=
m_189777687750480261gmail-m_7174615266101921091gmail-m_-6811915406325326106=
m_5811983186306912133gmail-m_-3548951900411599412m_-8691906944467973354gmai=
l-m_1492610957059271095m_-7878935548540145437gmail-m_-5278762035596455616gm=
ail-code">torben<br></pre></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 9:19 PM Erich Heinz=
le (<a href=3D"mailto:a1039181 AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">a1039=
181 AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" =
target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"auto"><div><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbol=
s/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org=
/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym?dl</a><div dir=3D"auto"><br></di=
v><div dir=3D"auto">The above link will download the raw symbol file as a .=
sym for use in the gschem schematic editor</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">The DIP14 footprint required in the pcb layout editor wi=
ll be a .fp file and the raw file can be downloaded from</div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/foot=
prints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbol=
s.org/footprints/m4lib/DIP14.fp?dl</a><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div=
><div dir=3D"auto">You can place the respective files in the same directory=
as your schematic and pcb layout, but most people will use dedicated direc=
tories in their project directory for symbols and for footprints.</div><div=
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Erich</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:34 Torben Friis (<a href=3D"mailto:fr=
iistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a=
href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-hel=
p AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"nore=
ferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid r=
gb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div st=
yle=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Hi,</div><di=
v style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">I found =
DIP14:</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:=
large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:large">torben AT torben-Aspire-E5-773G:~$ cat /home/torben/gEDAsym<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?geda" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/footprints/m4lib.cgi?g=
eda</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <here<br><br><a h=
ref=3D"http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/cvs.html</a></div><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">It looks different fro=
m your file if I view it..</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,s=
ans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Where should I store the file you sent (if =
it is the file I should store)?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:large">torben<br></div></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019=
at 3:26 PM Chad Parker (<a href=3D"mailto:parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D=
"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">parker DOT charles AT gmail DOT com</a>) [via <a href=
=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>> wrote:<br=
></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;=
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://www.gedasymbol=
s.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-14M.sym" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://www.gedasymbols.org/user/erich_heinzle/symbols/PICAXE-1=
4M.sym</a></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>It looks like the package i=
s a 14-pin DIP, so "DIP14" should work as the footprint.<br></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>--Chad<br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 9:11 AM Torben Friis (<a href=3D=
"mailto:friistf AT gmail DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">friistf AT g=
mail.com</a>) [via <a href=3D"mailto:geda-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferr=
er noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delorie DOT com</a>] <<a href=3D"mailto:ge=
da-help AT delorie DOT com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">geda-help AT delor=
ie.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif=
;font-size:large">Hi ,</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:large">I have been looking fo the above element, but I cann=
ot find it. I have been looking for .../newlib and found it in two places, =
but neither one appeared to provide it.</div><div style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large">Is there anywhere else I can look f=
or it?</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:=
large">torben<br></div></div>
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