To:	Richard Dawe <rich AT phekda DOT freeserve DOT co DOT uk>
Cc:	djgpp AT delorie DOT com, JT Williams <jeffw AT darwin DOT sfbr DOT org>,
	GNU fileutils <bug-fileutils AT gnu DOT org>
Subject:	Re: cp -if
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In-Reply-To:	<3D31AC05.B2CB7082@phekda.freeserve.co.uk> (Richard Dawe's message of "Sun, 14 Jul 2002 17:51:17 +0100")
From:	Jim Meyering <jim AT meyering DOT net>
Date:	Mon, 15 Jul 2002 00:16:39 +0200
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Richard Dawe <rich AT phekda DOT freeserve DOT co DOT uk> wrote:
> JT Williams wrote:
>>
>> -: : "* cp's -f option no longer cancels the effect of --interactive (-i)
>> -: : (per POSIX)"
>> -:
>> -: Ouch. So how do we override "-i"?

There's a relatively new option just for that.
It was added in 4.1.1.  Here's the NEWS entry:

* mv and cp accept a new option: --reply={yes,no,query};  provides a consistent
    mechanism to control whether one is prompted about certain existing
    destination files.  Note that cp's and mv's -f options don't have the
    same meaning: cp's -f option no longer merely turns off `-i'.

and here's the --help entry:

      --reply={yes,no,query}   specify how to handle the prompt about an
                                 existing destination file


>> Ouch, indeed.  And why only cp?  mv -i can still be overridden.

POSIX requires that cp's -f do this and only this:

  -f, --force                  if an existing destination file cannot be
                                 opened, remove it and try again

POSIX requires that mv's -f override mv's -i.

> I don't know why it's only cp. I had a quick look at draft 7 of the Austin

In the sections for cp and mv (I search for `cp - ' and `mv - ' in d7text.txt),
it's pretty clear that the two -f options are supposed to do different things.

> Group's work, which became part of the new POSIX standard. I can't see where
> the behaviour of cp, mv is described. I've CC'd bug-fileutils. Hopefully
> someone on that list can answer your question.
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