Mail Archives: djgpp/1999/12/05/05:19:05
"Weiqi Gao" <weiqigao AT a DOT crl DOT com> wrote in message
news:38496768 DOT 32C96EBE AT a DOT crl DOT com...
> Lars Eighner wrote:
> >
> > I don't quite understand the problem here. The point of djgpp is
> > that you are on a DOS or Windows machine. There must be a hundred
> > DOS free or shareware editors that are much more powerful than
> > either vim or emacs.
And several hundred less powerful.
Well, if you want one specially optimized for GCC/DJGPP,
get RHIDE. Its keystrokes are like Mes$-DOS Editor's.
> > The vim or emacs discussion makes sense if you are stuck
> > in a uniod environment where applications are are few and
> > far between
Which will be fixed when Wine comes out.
> > and they all assume you are on a VT100 mono
> > terminal with no function keys (but connected
> > to a Cray with unlimited resources).
Or a Macintosh. Power Mac G4 is more powerful than
some Crays. Besides, you're dissing Emacs (eight megs
and constantly swapping). Vim has a much smaller
footprint. IIRC they both now have syntax coloring.
> Flame war! Flame war!! Flame war!!! Let's have a flame war!
> For the last time in the twentieth century!!!!
Then have it in alt.flame. In three and a half weeks.
> Your DOS freeware/shareware editors are jokes. They are written by
> hungry grad students who want to 'figure out' how to do it. As soon as
> they are done with it, they move on to make their bit bucks being a
> Windows consultant. If you use any of them, you would be dead in the
> water in about 18 months.
>
> Plus, no serious software was ever written using one of those.
DOS Vim. Windows Vim. Unix Vim. All free software.
DOS Emacs. Windows Emacs. Unix Emacs. All free software.
DOS RHIDE. Linux RHIDE. Both free software.
Lots of serious software is written with free editors. Just look
at Free Puzzle Arena (check my homepage); I used RHIDE.
Heck, lots of software is written with Micro$oft's crappy editor
(partially based on Notepad?) built in to Micro$oft Visual C++.
> > Any editor that maps backspace to the help function
> > (emacs) is simply out of place on a desktop with a 104+ keyboard.
Suggest a better key? Unlike the Mac keyboard, the PC keyboard
does not have a "help" key.
> > And a glorified line editor (like vim) is the sort of thing DOS
> > left in the dust with the late and not-very-lamented edlin.
No. ed is a line editor. vim is a fullscreen editor.
> And DOS replaced EDLIN with what? EDIT.EXE! which
> saves all files with the .TXT extension. A clear sign that it's
> not intended for writing programs!
Wrong. Edit.com (both the QBasic version and the W9x
standalone) has never implied .txt. Notepad 95/98 can be set
not to imply .txt (pick "All Files *.*" in the open or save box).
C:\Personal\develop\arena>edit copying
does not open a new file called copying.txt. It opens the copy of
the GPL in my develop folder.
> > Emacs is an incredible resource hog because it was
> > designed by grad students with access to mainframes.
> > Vim has the singular distinction of being the
> > most counter-intuitive editor in existence.
BOLLOCKS!
For example, to write the current file and quit:
In vim (multiplatform), it's :wq
In Notepad and most other Windows editors, it's M-f s M-F4
Now which is easier to type and understand? vim.
> > Take your pick. (If you really are stuck in
> > a unoid environment, get joe which can be customized to
> > behave like a real editor.)
Vim is a real editor.
> The whole Microsoft thing was started by a under-grad drop-out
> who saw "fools with money" and exploited the situation.
Bill Gates 3 fools with everyone's money.
> Intuition is learned,
> and the vi interface is as intuitive and as simple as 'a b c ...'.
For example, look at "BOLLOCKS" a screen up. IMHO,
M$ Windows users should throw out Not-pad and get gvim.
BTW, can anyone name five editors that influenced
the development of vi? I want to make a bad joke.
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