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Subject:	Re: allegro == or != programming
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Date:	Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:33:56 GMT
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Jorge Iván Meza Martínez wrote:

> Now that you have send a million of mails with this subject I will tell you
> my opinion.
>
> I think that make the things by yourself is important and useful because
> forces you to learn and understand new things.  But it is very unuseful "try
> to reinvent the wheel".  If all of us try to make all by ourselves, today
> only should be one thing with many versions of it.

True.. I don;'t mind people using allegro or whatever else.. i just don;t think
it's an excuse to stop learning how to do them...

> In the work is the same; make software to a company is not the same that
> talk with you, they use to ignore all about -the art of- programing and they
> only want the program, as fast and as cheap as they can. on the university
> is the same thing, you have less than a month to create a project, you
> should not waste time with user interface ( refrerring to the useful Allegro
> GUI ).
>
> But you will not learn if you only group high level things, you are not a
> C++ programer if you add the "Quake_Monster" object to the "Quake_Scenario"
> with "Quake_Music", that is children's game, but it is a good begining to
> understand the "Quake_3d_machine" at whole.
>
> That is why I know the importance of the hobbies, I have learned much more
> programming in my home like hobby than in the university, there I just
> learned how to be boring, in my home I have created programs that I want
> with things that I did not know, but I learned ( off course with my DJGPP
> mail list friends ;o) ).
>
> Is true that everyone of us wishes to create a better version of any
> program, I mean, I am sure that the friend that started "allegro == or !=
> programming" wishes to have ( or already has ) a much better version of
> Allegro,

wishes to... but not that good yet... Still learning stuff..

> but it is not possible to all of us, I think that this is not the
> point, I think that we are here to program together and "improve"!, if you
> are selfish, you are not GNU.
>

true.. you cannot learn if no-one will share. If there were no GNU i would never
have learned c++.. I wouldn't even have a compiler.

> I want to end remarking my point about that there are sometimes that use
> another's software ( eg. allegro ) is useful when it helps you ( eg. helps
> you to not waste time with GUI ), but this is not a reason to stop of
> programming or to learn.  and like things like this are opinions, I think
> that there is no reason to be angry for that.
>
> I think that all of you can be very good programmers with or with out
> allegro libs.
>

yes, indeed...

> have several nice days.
>

why thank you...

        Merlin.

> Jorge Iván Meza Martínez
> jimeza AT usa DOT net
> http://members.xoom.com/THP

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