From:	p DOT steiner AT t-online DOT de (Peter Steiner)
Newsgroups:	comp.os.msdos.djgpp
Subject:	Re: long numbers [Now: Holy Crusade against HTML-ized news and mail]
Date:	5 Aug 1997 23:21:26 GMT
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On 5 Aug 1997 05:29:53 GMT, Paul Derbyshire <ao950 AT FreeNet DOT Carleton DOT CA> wrote:
>
>Peter Steiner (p DOT steiner AT t-online DOT de) writes:
>> On 2 Aug 1997 18:10:01 GMT, Paul Derbyshire <ao950 AT FreeNet DOT Carleton DOT CA> wrote:
>>>
>>>By the way, no known computer language (with the possible exception of
>>>Intercal) accepts "=3D" as an assignment operator. "=" and ":=" are the
>>>standard ones.
>> 
>> Have you ever heared of quoted printables? "=3D" is quite ok with the right
>> preprocessor (it expands to a single "=" ). ;-)
>
>Oh. Well, I am one of the many people that find it very annoying to see
>huge wodges of stuff in newsgroups and e-mail that needs special viewers,
>like web browsers and such. Not everyone reads news or mail with Netscape
>or Internet Exploder. I don't, for example, and all that fancy HTML and
>other code comes out gibberish. I still think that except for newsgroups
>local to things like Sympatico, where you know EVERYONE has a graphical
>browser, that stuff should be kept in binaries groups or special
>"HTMLized" groups. Just like binaries eventually came to be banned from
>non binary groups, I say keep anything that is not human readable plain
>text the hell out of newsgroups and lists and e-mail except for such
>special situations as binary groups, groups where everyone definitely has
>Netscape et al like Sympatico discussion fora, and newsgroups explicitly made
>for carrying enhanced, preprocessed, non-human-readable-plaintext stuff like
>HTML and RTF and PDF and Tex so forth.

Of course, I fully agree with that. But quoted printables have another
purpose. Especially with mail I found that even mail that was sent '8 bit'
arrived as quoted printable. However elm often displays that correctly.
Sometimes it is even converted back to 8 bit by the mailing system.
Sometimes it is displayd just wrong. It seems there are still servers not 8
bit clean. This is what quoted printable were designed for. It has nothing
to do with HTML or other such stuff. It´s just for transport over non 8-bis
clean systems. Of course the newsreader should send articles in 8-bit
format. But that sometimes doesn´t help.

Bye,

Peter Steiner
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