From:	Leath Muller <leathm AT gbrmpa DOT gov DOT au>
Message-Id:	<199607152316.JAA17009@gbrmpa.gov.au>
Subject:	Re: djgpp's make and DOS - a solution
To:	eurgain AT enterprise DOT net (Alistair Hamilton & Alison Corfield)
Date:	Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:16:31 +1000 (EST)
Cc:	djgpp AT delorie DOT com
In-Reply-To:	<199607151825.SAA05143@mail.enterprise.net> from "Alistair Hamilton & Alison Corfield" at Jul 15, 96 06:25:59 pm

> >*GASP* - Your not knocking vi are you?!?!?!  :)  Its actually the only editor
> >I use...I happen to like it... :)
 
> Oh, I am sorry. Do you also think that PDP-11s are really good, reliable
> machines? "T'youth of t'day wi' bloody Pentiums dant know the joys of a reet
> good 286." Maybe you are also a trainspotter! ... I'm sure that you can be
> cured.

Hmmm...I dont think so...I used Emacs at uni, and I also used MicroEmacs
on my Amiga...I still prefer vi...
 
> When I last programmed for cash (in about 1988 - Unix/C then X) those of us
> who had duff terminals had to run Vi. Everyone else was using GNUEmacs. Us
> poor sods got _written_apologies_ from our employer, and promices of new
> terminals ASAP. I had a TVI920C that just would not cope with Emacs.
> Whenever possible, we sat at our absent colleagues' desks, and lapped up
> GNUEmacs - it seemed to us nothng short of remarkable.

It depends on what you like...  :)

> What clinced the buying of new terminals was that the Emacs people were
> producing more working code than the Vi people. Emacs is almost an IDE. Vi
> has an edit-exit-compile-remembertheerrors... cycle that goes back to my
> CP/M days over 15 years ago.

If the Emacs people can produce better working code, maybe its a show of the
quality of the vi programmers...the guy I live with has a degree, and he uses
Borland with its flash IDE (I used it before I used DJGPP). It took him longer
to learn how to open a window in 95 WITH a book using the dialog editor, than
it took me to write and convert a blit routine into asm under DJGPP with vi.
The editor, IMHO, has very little to do with it!

> If you cannt use a proper IDE, I still think that Emacs has yet to be
> beaten. I use MicroEMACS (provenance unknown, but non-Gnu) which does a
> damned good job, won't convert your tabs, and only takes up 0,25M disc space.

I was using Borlands IDE before vi, is that acceptable? :) Each unto his own...

Leathal.

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