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Subject:	Re: Status update (Smalltalk/Python)
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Date:	Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:09:16 -0500 (EST)
From:	"Alain Magloire" <alain AT qnx DOT com>
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> 
> Hello.
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, Tim Van Holder wrote:
> > > Wasn't sure what to use for a value though; would apps expect
> > > crypt()'ed values or plaintext?
> > 
> > Could people who can access Unix and GNU/Linux boxes please look what
> > they do?

Crypt.

> The password seems to be crypted. For the group password I get 'x', which
> is what /etc/group contains for my user. This appears to be equivalent tp
> a blank password field. This is on RedHat Linux 6.2 with glibc 2.1.3.

Most Modern Un*x including GNU/Linux uses shadow passwd.  Meaning
the actual passwd is now save in /etc/shadow and not readable by all.
It is common belief the shadow approach will give at least a first barrier
to dictionnary style of attack.  The passwd are now access via the
shadow routines :
struct spwd *getspnam(char *name);
...
and friends.

The caveat is that, when you want to authenticate you need to be root.

> I don't have any groups with passwords. Perhaps someone who does can use
> my test program? Here's my test program:

group passwd is seldom use nowadays.
The test program below is correct.

> ---start getpwnam() test program---
...
> ---end getpwnam() test program---

Usually the way it is use:
{
...
      pw = getpwnam (arg);
      if (pw == NULL)
        return ERR_BAD_LOGIN /* Oops! Houston we have a problem.  */;
      if (strcmp (pw->pw_passwd, crypt (pass, pw->pw_passwd)))
        {
#ifdef HAVE_SHADOW_H
          struct spwd *spw;
          spw = getspnam (arg);
          if (spw == NULL)
            return ERR_BAD_LOGIN; /* !! Danger Will Robertson!  */
          if (strcmp (spw->sp_pwdp, crypt (pass, spw->sp_pwdp)))
#endif /* HAVE_SHADOW_H */
            return ERR_BAD_PASSWD; /* Nuke the twit.  */
        }     
...
}

Some systems follow Solaris example by having PAM style auth.
I believe GNU/Linux and *BSD came up with there PAM libs too.

> > > And what would be a good value? Maybe we could select one randomly
> > > from "secret", "password" and "god" :-)
> > > I'm open to suggestions...
> > 
> > I suggest to start a contest for the best password.
> 
> How about "open-sesame"?

How about a little Locale:
"Se'same_ouvre_toi"

Or some French from Paris:
"Voulez-vous_coucher_avec_moi_ce_soir_?"


-- 
au revoir, alain
----
Aussi haut que l'on soit assis, on est toujours assis que sur son cul !!!

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