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Date:	Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:21:02 -0500
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From:	"Thomas J. Hruska" <shinelight AT crosswinds DOT net>
Subject:	Re: how do i install C
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At 07:36 AM 10/30/00 +0200, you wrote:
>
>On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Thomas J. Hruska wrote:
>
>> Since you do not know DOS, I highly recommend purchasing either Microsoft
>> Visual C++ (Standard Edition) or Borland C++ Builder 5 (Standard Edition).
>> The professional/enterprise editions are much nicer and larger with lots of
>> stuff...but are meant for business use rather than an environment to
learn in.
>
>Please do not promote proprietary compilers in this forum.


Sure, no problem...I'll tell all newbies that come into this forum that
DJGPP and all gcc ports are the greatest things to ever happen to the
world.  Due to sending *THAT* message to them, I will drive them away from
programming forever.  Great message to send if you ask me.  I'll comply
with your wishes, but not happily.  IMHO, the people in this forum are very
embittered, "hardcore" programmers who **HATE** those who are new to the
programming realm.  If the people of this forum were smart, they would
allow some leniency and keep an open mind to the fact that helping
"newbies" out is actually beneficial.  Sure I mention a proprietary
compiler or two, but by helping them get started with something easy, they
are MUCH more likely to come back and check out DJGPP when they are ready
for cross-platform developing.  By giving them the cold shoulder, they will
turn away from DJGPP and DJGPP will die a horrible, unspeakable death.

Note:  I am an avid defender of those who are just starting to program.  I
will always treat those starting out with respect and blast away at those
who don't.  Every last programmer who thinks they are superior on this and
any other list was, at one time, starting out too.  I have been programming
for eleven years and still maintain respect for those starting out, I hope
that each of you will do the same.  Maybe I went overkill on the response
(in which case I'm sorry), but I hope that you understand where I'm coming
from before flaming me (oh, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but it won't
phase me a bit).


           Thomas J. Hruska -- shinelight AT crosswinds DOT net
Shining Light Productions -- "Meeting the needs of fellow programmers"
                  http://www.shininglightpro.com/

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