From:	khan AT xraylith DOT wisc DOT edu (Mumit Khan)
Newsgroups:	comp.os.msdos.djgpp
Subject:	Re: fall of rsxntdj??
Date:	1 Sep 1999 04:43:34 GMT
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In article <Pine DOT SUN DOT 3 DOT 91 DOT 990825115650 DOT 2834C-100000 AT is>,
Eli Zaretskii  <djgpp AT delorie DOT com> wrote:
>
>The point is that those 10% can e.g. prevent you from building a 
>package, and the problems are so subtle that the average John Doe the 
>Programmer can spend days on end without finding a solution.

I agree with this. Let's wait till Cygwin b21 and revisit this issue
again.

>
>The problem is they are all subtly incompatible, and a lot of effort went 
>into making all that hodgepodge of programs work together in concert.
>
>A coherent package such as DJGPP or Cygwin solves these problems.

Absolutely. It already works very well under Cygwin (either as a 
Cygwin subtarget or as a full fledged cross-compiler capable of
rebuilding itself). But as you point out, Cygwin has kinks to work
out.

>No argument here.  My message wasn't meant to suggest that you alone 
>should do the work.  It was meant to suggest a way to make Mingw a better 
>development environment by tracking the path charted by DJGPP, and 
>encourage interested people to start moving Mingw in that direction.

The big problem is that some of the essential utilities required for
a GNU-style development environment will be very hard to port to a
minimal (no pun intended) environmnet like Mingw (which stands for
Minimalist Gnu-Win32), and bash is the prime example. We'll always
need a "host", and currently the preferred ones are Cygwin and UWIN.

If DJGPP folks want to use it, the path I suggest is to use the rest
of DJGPP's very established tools with Mingw compiler/binutils. I 
don't know anything about how DJGPP works, but if it does how it
expect it to (from all I've heard about it), the only challenge
would be to fix the pathnames to use 8.3, which may or may not
be trivial.

I'm willing to help if there is need. Till then, I do believe that
RSXNTDJ should be revived first to see if it does indeed fit the
requirements, and if so, just use that. Nothing like known existing
tools to get the job done. New tools, no matter how promising, always
brings extra baggage.

Regards,
Mumit

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