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Subject:	Re: The numer 1 compiler, DJGPP or MSVC Here's a good rating comparision
From:	you AT somehost DOT somedomain (Herman Schoenfeld)
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In article <01bcc1b3$ccb39840$2b40cbc2 AT russnt>, russ AT algorithm DOT demon DOT co DOT uk 
says...
>
>Herman Schoenfeld <you AT somehost DOT somedomain> wrote in article
><341cec0c DOT 0 AT 139 DOT 134 DOT 5 DOT 33>...
>> In article <5vhpcs$sd$1 AT news DOT internetsat DOT com>, frogger AT micronet DOT fr
>says...
>> >
>> >>so many "not so cheap PC based UNIXes" ?? I thought GCC was a standard
>> >>in the unix world...
>> >
>> >GCC is a standard, this doesnb't mean it's a good compiler : it's one of
>the
>> >WORST !
>>
>> oh, and how do you figure that?
>
>The code it produces being worse than anything else? DJGPP doesn't support
>Pentium optimising, yet VC5 supports the PPro (Watcom and Borland probably
>do too). It isn't in the same league as commercial compilers. GCC doesn't
>even
>support C++ as well as everything else - templates are a good way to see 
>'internal compiler error', and I've personally had it fuck up on function
>calling 
>(pushing the wrong parameters, ignoring return values). GCC is great for
>doing
>C programs, and allows code to be remarkably portable, but it isn't the
>best.

DJGPP isn't that bad. GCC on unix/linux is standard. There are no MSVC 
compilers for them so any comment comparing GCC to MSVC is pretty much a waste 
of bandwidth. 

If you're comparinh MSVC with DJGPP, you're wrong in all instances.
DJGPP does support c++. 
DJGPP does support pentium optimising. (PGCC).
DJGPP produces fast optimized code.


Sure, DJGPP doesn't have nice little point-and-click features but most people 
don't need them.

>
>GCC is a very nice, capable, free compiler, but FFS, the best people in 
>compiler optimisation earn lots of money working for MS, Intel, Borland,
>Watcom, Symantec, SGI, Sun, DEC, HP etc. They don't work for free.


With flawed logic like that its no wonder you have such trouble with 
programming. Just because somebody charges $250 p/hour to produce a compiler 
like Turbo C++ it certainatly doesn't make it better than something produced by 
hundreds of people who already make enough money and contribute to a compiler 
such as DJGPP. 

You can put all your compilers together and you won't get even half the support 
DJGPP has.

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