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From:	jscharrl AT ba-stuttgart DOT de (Jochen Scharrlach)
Newsgroups:	comp.os.msdos.djgpp
Subject:	Re: Editor of choice
Date:	7 Jun 1995 08:42:07 GMT
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davis AT space DOT mit DOT edu wrote:
>  : - emacs has (of course) more functions, e.g. menus (even under DOS!)
>  
> Jed has a form of menus suitable for mouseless systems, e.g., dialup, that
> get activated by pressing Ctrl-H ?.  It should say this at the top of the
> screen.

OK, I meant mouse-menus - I usually don't use the "normal" menus, but
I really like the buffer menu (Ctrl+left mousebutton).

>  : - it's definitly different from emacs, e.g. I wasn't able to load a
>  : library and couldn't get any hint from "apropos"

> What libraries were you trying to load?  Jed will not read emacs lisp
> libraries because it does not use lisp as the extension language.  The
> intrinsic function is called `evalfile'.  `Ctrl-H a library' will not
> produce this but `Ctrl-H a file' will.

I wanted to stress the fact that Jed has *not* full support for
emacs-commandos, so an emacs-freak has to learn some new functions!

>  : 
>  : Conclusion: If you want a small editor to write C programs or TeX
>  : documents with a similar comfort as Emacs offers, take Jed. If you want
>  : a huuuuge library of functions, a very reliable program and don't care
>  : about disc space and memory requirements, take a look at Emacs. If Jed
>  : wants to have the same functionality as Emacs has, it will grow...

> I do not think it will ever grow to be as large as Emacs.  I do not want it
> to.  I want it to remain small, fast, and functional.  Right now is is
> slightly larger then vi on my SunOS system.  I intend to keep it around that
> size.  Of course it will grow when I add async process support to it in
> 0.98.  However, my private version with such support indicates that there
> will not be too much growth in the size of the executable.

OK, as I said: it won't ever have as many functions as Emacs has. You
may not notice the difference unless you want to do something
unusual. I liked some things in Jed (e.g. speed) and disliked others:
- my 2-button mouse was handled as a mouse without middle button,
instead as a mouse without the right button (like emacs)
- I wanted a black background (OK, I gave up after five minutes
editing colors.sl)
- the completion list has only one column (is the list clickable,
BTW?)
- it didn't scroll halve-screens (OK, maybe a configuration problem)

In the end I gave up, because I can live with the problems of Emacs
(which should vanish with DJGPP V2 - fingers crossed...).

Please don't get me wrong, I don't say Jed is *bad*, I just say it's
not a complete replacement for Emacs. Both will have their supporters.

Bye,
Jochen

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