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On 2025-04-01 08:46, Brian Inglis wrote:
> On 2025-04-01 02:37, Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin wrote:
>> On Mar 31 23:26, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
>>> On 2025-03-31 12:49, Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin wrote:
>>>> On Mar 31 12:35, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
>>>>> Has anyone a feel if there are any other projects on that list whose man
>>>>> pages would be useful under Cygwin even if the package itself is not
>>>>> available, or even individual man pages where they are not currently
>>>>> available?

>>>> We have quite a few functions which might be only available on BSD systems,
>>>> and we have these Solaris ACL functions which don't exist on Linux.  We
>>>> probably can't use the man pages from Solaris due to copyright constraints,
>>>> but the FreeBSD man pages should be ok.

>>> The Solaris man pages were made available under the CDDL or PDL derived
>>> from MPL: we have Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris 2010 available on the
>>> freebsd.org site, a well as most other OSes anyone might want: 520 of
>>> them, from 7th Edition, 2.10BSD, 386BSD, thru 4.4Lite2, etc.

>> Oh, great.

>>> Space required for FreeBSD man pages is comparable to man-pages-linux -
>>> should we make all FreeBSD 15.0 current man pages available similar to
>>> man-pages-linux - man-pages-freebsd package and directory under
>>> /usr/share/man/ symlinked as freebsd for convenience with man -m|--systems
>>> SYSTEM,...?
>>>
>>> Or should we stick to the original idea and package only selected missing
>>> man pages in the other sections of posix.xml as man-pages-extra?

>> Your call.  As long as we don't have dedicated people creating matching
>> man pages for Cygwin (very unlikely for such a small project), we'll
>> never have 100% accurate man pages either way.  So it might be a bit too
>> much hassle to tweak the FreeBSD man pages into a form matching Cygwin.

> The intent would be select from acl, FreeBSD, Solaris, whatever is needed, and 
> not do any tweaking.

> For comparison, I attach lists of acl man pages from acl project, FreeBSD 15, 
> OpenSolaris 2010, and Solaris 10 tars of man pages.

>> The only question is, assuming as a user I have have man-pages-linux
>> and man-pages-freebsd installed.  How do I decide on the command line
>> which of them I see?

> Based on man-pages-linux announcements, for man-pages-freebsd we could say 
> (TL;DR: look at end):
> 
> "As Cygwin has its own man pages with some overlap, these man pages are
> installed under /usr/share/man/man-pages-freebsd/, so by default searching
> or viewing these pages requires the option:
> 
>      $ apropos -m|--systems man-pages-freebsd...
>      $ man -m|--systems man-pages-freebsd ...
> 
> Cygwin man pages are under the default system "man", so for convenience
> both systems may be specified separated by comma e.g.
> 
>      $ man -m man,man-pages-freebsd ...
> 
> The path or option may also be added explicitly to a user's MANPATH or
> alias e.g.
> 
>      $ export MANPATH=$MANPATH:/usr/share/man/man-pages-freebsd
> 
>      $ alias apropos='apropos -m man,man-pages-freebsd'
>      $ alias man='man -m man,man-pages-freebsd'
> 
> Add -a to show both Cygwin and FreeBSD (and Linux and POSIX if companion 
> packages man-pages-linux and/or man-pages-posix are also installed) manual 
> pages, for example:
> 
> $ alias man='man -m man,man-pages-freebsd,man-pages-linux,man-pages-posix'
> 
> where man page display is prioritized by alphabetic directory order of systems, 
> rather than option order (which is explicitly supported for sections selection).
> 
> For convenience and backward compatibility /usr/share/man/freebsd is
> provided as a symlink.
> 
> If you prefer to see FreeBSD man pages over Cygwin man pages, then use
> -m|--systems freebsd in the examples above, or add -m freebsd to a man command."


-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis              Calgary, Alberta, Canada

La perfection est atteinte                   Perfection is achieved
non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter  not when there is no more to add
mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retrancher  but when there is no more to cut
                                 -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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