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On 2025-04-01 02:37, Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin wrote:
> On Mar 31 23:26, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
>> On 2025-03-31 12:49, Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin wrote:
>>> On Mar 31 12:35, Brian Inglis via Cygwin wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> Has anyone a feel if there are any other projects on that list whose man
>>>> pages would be useful under Cygwin even if the package itself is not
>>>> available, or even individual man pages where they are not currently
>>>> available?
>>
>>> We have quite a few functions which might be only available on BSD systems,
>>> and we have these Solaris ACL functions which don't exist on Linux.  We
>>> probably can't use the man pages from Solaris due to copyright constraints,
>>> but the FreeBSD man pages should be ok.
>>
>> The Solaris man pages were made available under the CDDL or PDL derived from
>> MPL: we have Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris 2010 available on the freebsd.org
>> site,
>> a well as most other OSes anyone might want: 520 of them, from 7th Edition,
>> 2.10BSD, 386BSD, thru 4.4Lite2, .
> 
> Oh, great.
> 
>> Space required for FreeBSD man pages is comparable to man-pages-linux -
>> should we make all FreeBSD 15.0 current man pages available similar to
>> man-pages-linux - man-pages-freebsd package and directory under
>> /usr/share/man/ symlinked as freebsd for convenience with man -m|--systems
>> SYSTEM,...?
>>
>> Or should we stick to the original idea and package only selected missing
>> man pages in the other sections of posix.xml as man-pages-extra?
> 
> Your call.  As long as we don't have dedicated people creating matching
> man pages for Cygwin (very unlikely for such a small project), we'll
> never have 100% accurate man pages either way.  So it might be a bit too
> much hassle to tweak the FreeBSD man pages into a form matching Cygwin.

The intent would be select from acl, FreeBSD, Solaris, whatever is needed, and 
not do any tweaking.

For comparison, I attach lists of acl man pages from acl project, FreeBSD 15, 
OpenSolaris 2010, and Solaris 10 tars of man pages.

> The only question is, assuming as a user I have have man-pages-linux
> and man-pages-freebsd installed.  How do I decide on the command line
> which of them I see?

Based on man-pages-linux announcements, for man-pages-freebsd we could say 
(TL;DR: look at end):

"As Cygwin has its own man pages with some overlap, these man pages are
installed under /usr/share/man/man-pages-freebsd/, so by default searching
or viewing these pages requires the option:

	$ apropos -m|--systems man-pages-freebsd...
	$ man -m|--systems man-pages-freebsd ...

Cygwin man pages are under the default system "man", so for convenience
both systems may be specified separated by comma e.g.

	$ man -m man,man-pages-freebsd ...

The path or option may also be added explicitly to a user's MANPATH or
alias e.g.

	$ export MANPATH=$MANPATH:/usr/share/man/man-pages-freebsd

	$ alias apropos='apropos -m man,man-pages-freebsd'
	$ alias man='man -m man,man-pages-freebsd'

Add -a to show both Cygwin and FreeBSD (and Linux and POSIX if companion 
packages man-pages-linux and/or man-pages-posix are also installed) manual 
pages, for example:

$ alias man='man -m man,man-pages-freebsd,man-pages-linux,man-pages-posix'

where man page display is prioritized by alphabetic directory order of systems, 
rather than option order (which is explicitly supported for sections selection).

For convenience and backward compatibility /usr/share/man/freebsd is
provided as a symlink.

If you prefer to see FreeBSD man pages over Cygwin man pages, then use
-m|--systems freebsd in the examples above, or add -m freebsd to a man command."

-- 
Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis              Calgary, Alberta, Canada

La perfection est atteinte                   Perfection is achieved
non pas lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à ajouter  not when there is no more to add
mais lorsqu'il n'y a plus rien à retrancher  but when there is no more to cut
                                 -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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