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The education of and practice of software is glaringly lax and we have the
collective power to fix it.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2024, 10:42 p.m. Eliot Moss <moss AT cs DOT umass DOT edu> wrote:

> On 10/16/2024 6:42 PM, Mike Yearwood via Cygwin wrote:
> > I took over a 3 year long project. The previous programmer painted
> himself
> > into a corner and found me. I showed my work to the client. The other
> > programmer was retiring. In 4 months, I rebuilt his 3 years work. During
> > the next 8 months, I finished and expanded the project for a total of
> > $80k. Client independently rewrote the system within the last 3 years at
> a
> > cost of $600,000 so far. This is all too common.
>
> So there are different levels of (in)competence out there.  Not surprising.
> It's also not too surprising that a degree does not *guarantee* competence.
> There is probably some correlation or even causation between degrees and
> competence, but certainly it is not absolute.  Even experience is no
> guarantee.
>
> Your point is ... ?
>
> Regards - Eliot Moss
>

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