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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:25:11 +0200
To: Bruno Haible <bruno AT clisp DOT org>
Subject: Re: posix_spawn facility
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From: Corinna Vinschen via Cygwin <cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>
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Hi Bruno,

On Apr 17 20:44, Bruno Haible via Cygwin wrote:
> Hi Corinna,
> 
> > > Would it be possible to change Cygwin's posix_spawnp implementation,
> > > so that both tests succeed?
> > 
> > Basically, yes, but...
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> > > Disclaimer: I have done my tests with Cygwin 2.9.0; so, if things have
> >                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 					2017-09-07
> > 
> > I'm a bit puzzled. You quote that only Cygwin 3.1.7 has the fixed
> > posix_spawn, but then you test this with a version three years older?
> 
> I have now verified that the findings with Cygwin 3.4.6 are the same as
> with Cygwin 2.9.0. I had expected that, based on browsing through the
> Cygwin git history; I confirm it now.

Thanks a lot!  The patch is actually simple.

But I'm not *that* happy with the change yet, for two reasons.

First, the security risk outlined in
https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13134#c0 doesn't
actually exist on Cygwin, because we don't implement setuid/setgid
executables.  You can set the mode bits, but they are not acted upon.

Second, the rational section in POSIX explains posix_spawn and
posix_spawnp, but it does *not* actually provide an example
implementation of posix_spawnp, only of posix_spawn.

From the above bugzilla entry I take it that on glibc, both
functions tried to run the shell if the executable isn't recognized
(up to commits d96de9634a33 / 13adfa34aff).

However, on Cygwin, only posix_spawnp does that,but not posix_spawn.

In fact, I read the POSIX descriptions in terms of these functions quite
thoroughly, and at no point I see it mentioned that posix_spawnp shall
*not* work like exevlp/execvp.  The crucial difference between posix_spawn
and posixc_spawnp is described in an interestingly vague way:

  posix_spawnp() interprets the second parameter more elaborately than
  posix_spawn().

If I missed the point in the POSIX docs, please tell me.

So, again, the patch is simple.  But it's kind of a pity that the change
in glibc has been made without a bigger discussion.  Right now, it looks
like the glibc change to posix_spawn was correct, but the change to
posix_spawnp was arbitrary.

Has anybody attempted to ask the Austin group to define this behaviour
in posix_spawnp more concise?  Is there a protocel from the Austin
group?  If not, wouldn't it be time to ask the Austin group?

> Btw, there are two more functions in the posix_spawn family meanwhile:
>   * posix_spawn_file_actions_addchdir_np
>     implemented by glibc [1], musl libc, macOS, FreeBSD [2], Solaris ≥ 11.3
>     used by a few packages (Firefox, Chromium, Rust)
>   * posix_spawn_file_actions_addfchdir_np
>     implemented in glibc, musl libc
>     but not used by any package so far [3].
> 
> The next POSIX will contain these functions (without the _np suffix).[4]

Thanks for the pointers.  I'm not sure I'll have the time to implement
them soon, but I put them on my list for 3.5.0.  Patches welcome!


Thanks,
Corinna

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