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On 15/01/2022 18:31, Dan Harkless wrote:
> On 1/15/2022 10:26 AM, Dan Harkless wrote:
[...]
>>
>> Forgive me if this is a FAQ (I tried searching), but is there a 
>> standard timeframe in between when a package update is announced on 
>> the list and when it's actually available on the mirrors?

We have no direct control over how often mirrors choose to sync.

However, as is mentioned at the bottom of 
https://cygwin.com/mirrors.html, we drop a mirror from that list if it 
isn't up to date for more than 24 hours.

(In actual fact, that unduly punishes some mirrors which sync 
indirectly, so the actual criteria for keeping a mirror on that page is 
something which approximates "not more than 24 hours out of date for 
more than 24 hours").

So, mirrors having updated packages within 24 hours is reasonable as a 
general expectation.  Most mirrors are significantly faster, but a few 
may be a bit slower.

>> I tried every https mirror, but none of them have the new versions. 
>> I've been having trouble with the X server and xwin-xdg-menu failing 
>> to start up properly (in a semi-non-repeatable way), so I was hoping 
>> to get this update now.
>>
>> I tried upgrading setup-x86_64.exe to 2.915, in case some fix was 
>> needed to get the new packages to show up, but like the last several 
>> versions of the setup programs (2.909 is the last one I remember 
>> working), it doesn't work on my Windows 8.1 system (with all available 
>> MS updates).  Running the installer from Explorer results in nothing 
>> happening whatsoever.
>>
>> Running setup from bash as Administrator results in:
>>
>>     Starting cygwin install, version 2.915
>>     User has backup/restore rights
>>     User has symlink creation right
>>     *** --symlink-type lnk is not implemented
>>
>> I've had my CYGWIN environment variable set to "wincmdln 
>> winsymlinks:lnk" for ages, and it's always worked before.  I /highly/ 
>> prefer the lnk implementation of symlinks, since it allows me to make 
>> them from non-Admin shells, etc.

Oops!  That's not how that's intended to work, at all. Thanks for 
reporting that.

I've uploaded setup 2.916 with an attempted fix.

   https://cygwin.com/setup/setup-2.916.x86_64.exe
   https://cygwin.com/setup/setup-2.916.x86.exe

Please try that, and see if it improves things for you?

> Oh, and forgot to mention I took a look at 
> https://cygwin.com/mirrors-report.html, and it claims (by omission) that 
> most of the mirrors I tried are supposed to be complete and up-to-date, 
> so... I'm not sure what that page is even indicating.

That page is only updated periodically (every 3 hours currently), so if 
the 'Last updated' time on that page is prior to the change of interest, 
that page has no information you can use to determine if a mirror has 
that change or not.

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