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On 2021-04-08 21:34, Orgad Shaneh via Cygwin wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 4:50 AM Andrey Repin <anrdaemon AT yandex DOT ru> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings, Orgad Shaneh!
>> 
>> > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:47 PM Orgad Shaneh <orgads AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>> > Marco Atzeri replied to the mailing list but did not CC me, so I
>> > didn't receive it:
>> 
>> The expectation is that you subscribe to the list of interest.
> 
> Why? If I report a bug, I'm interested in this bug, and I don't want
> to receive dozens of emails every day about other issues.

Hi Orgad,

The odd thing is that you're able to post at all.

The Cygwin has an inconsistent configuration: it seems to allow
posts from non-subscribers, yet it removes them from the Cc: line
when remailing their posting.

Basically, there are two styles of mailing list: "old school"
and "modern".

Old school means: no Reply-To munging or anything of the sort is 
performed.
The mailing list is just a robot which redistributes an e-mail which it
receives to subscribers. The Cc: line is kept intact. The e-mail can 
come
from a non-subscriber.

(One type of) modern: only messages from subscribers are allowed.
Messages are reposted preserving the original From. The Cc: line
includes nothing but the mailing list address, in order that when
the recipients perform "reply all", the message goes to the list
as well as to the original author.

If a "modern" mailing list style allows non-member postings,
that creates confusion. The post receives replies seen by
everyone on the list, but not that non-member.

The reason for the modern configuration is spam. Allowing only
subscribers to post drastically reduces the spam, even if no
other anti-spam measures are implemented.

All the mailing lists which I operate, such as the txr-users
list for TXR users, are old school, though. The usability of
modern mailing lists is too impaired.

I believe that the modernization of mailing lists is what has
contributed to the diminishing popularity of mailing lists.
Having to subscribe to interact with the list is a hurdle in
the usability of a forum that is already in an unpopular format.

Spam can be combated in other ways, like having excellent forms
of other filtering, and using list-specific tools.

For instance, GNU Mailman (a very popular mailing list manager) has
the feature that posts from non-subscribers can be held for
moderation.

> Every time you report a bug to a project on github/jira/whatever, you
> subscribe to everything in this project?

Without creating a github account, how do you do anything of that
sort on github?
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