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From:	Achim Gratz <Stromeko AT nexgo DOT de>
To:	cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
Subject:	Re: [PATCH] default ps -W process start time to system boot time when inaccessible, 0, -1
References:	<20190323034522 DOT 9688-1-Brian DOT Inglis AT SystematicSW DOT ab DOT ca> <87d0mh5x3u DOT fsf AT Rainer DOT invalid> <20190323183653 DOT GB3471 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <874l7tbfh6 DOT fsf AT Rainer DOT invalid> <4dfdfce1-245d-98fe-0c49-890ba8ec8dd4 AT SystematicSw DOT ab DOT ca> <874l7s65yv DOT fsf AT Rainer DOT invalid> <bacddf44-e71b-08a2-9e93-0da8d98cc540 AT SystematicSw DOT ab DOT ca>
Date:	Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:15:17 +0100
In-Reply-To:	<bacddf44-e71b-08a2-9e93-0da8d98cc540@SystematicSw.ab.ca> (Brian Inglis's message of "Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:17:55 -0600")
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Brian Inglis writes:
> Boot time is neither magic nor pulled out of thin air.

No, but other than a lower limit of the process start time it has no
correlation whatsoever to the start time of a process that I am not
proviledged to get the start time from.

> Checking *my* system processes using wmic queries and elevated powershell
> scripts, the boot time is at most a few seconds off from process start times
> from other sources.
> I understand that other systems may run processes where that is not the case.
> Please explain why you think this is misleadingly not useful, or where or which
> processes have unvailable start times that are not very close to boot time.

System processes get started and re-started all the time, as do
processes from other users (interactive or otherwise).

So again: in the case under discussion we _know_ that "0" is a bogus
timestamp value that no process ever got started on, even if it can be
translated to "Jan 1st 1970" if it were indeed a valid timestamp.  All
I'm asking is that ps shows something like "N/A" instead of trying to
print something that looks like it might be a valid time, but still
isn't.


Regards,
Achim.
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