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From:	"E. Madison Bray" <erik DOT m DOT bray AT gmail DOT com>
Date:	Wed, 27 Feb 2019 16:51:02 +0100
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Subject:	Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 4:45 AM Steven Penny wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:21:15, "Jerry Baker via cygwin" wrote:
> > Well I guess it's a good thing there's only one possible state of
> > Windows 7 x64 which allows us to determine that there's no possibility
> > of a bug simply by running a single instance in one VM. We're going to
> > turn the world of unit testing on its ear with this information.
>
> correct, multiple states are possible. this is why the scientific method defines
> a control:
>
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_control
>
> in this case that would be a clean virtual machine. if you cant or wont do that,
> then you must understand that you only have yourself to blame.

I understand this thread has been heated, and it hasn't been just you
who's been impatient by any means.  But maybe it will help smooth
things over by avoiding words like "blame" and finger pointing.  If
someone has a broken Cygwin on their system that works on other,
similar systems it's not necessarily the user who's to "tlame".

Yes, PEBKAC is always a possibility, but since you mentioned the
scientific method I'll just add that we have no evidence of that
either.  Windows, much someone's working installation of Windows
(which can have a lot more going on on it than a fresh VM) is an
enormously complex system, and it's entirely possible that Cygwin is
*broken* on that particular configuration through no fault of the
user.

Unfortunately, without concrete steps to reproduce the problem, the
rest of us can only speculate.

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