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From:	Paul Sheer <paulsheer AT gmail DOT com>
Date:	Tue, 5 Jun 2018 11:19:42 -0500
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Subject:	Re: Cygwin X11 Server slow performance
To:	L A Walsh <cygwin AT tlinx DOT org>
Cc:	cygwin AT cygwin DOT com

20 years ago Linux cult members were using the same
"blame-the-user"-type arguments.

Nothing has changed.

I don't use Emacs.  I only gave it as an easily-testable example.
Try:       apt-get install xemacs ; export DISPLAY=windows.mylan:0.0 ;
xemacs

Professionally, I have been a C++ developer for 20 years, and I am
also a published author:


https://www.amazon.com/LINUX-Rute-Users-Tutorial-Exposition/dp/0130333514


I don't need to do ANY analysis or tests to see that the Cygwin and
Mingw X Servers have abhorrent latency problems: you press a key and
you wait 0.25 seconds for the page to render.  That's like the speed
of a page render over 9600 baud terminal.  X Servers were NEVER this
slow even in the 1990s.


Why would I sit and do a mathematical analysis, when I can simply
uninstall it and install something that actually works???

Why would I waist my time trying to fix the problem, when cygwin
mailing list respondents refuse to admit the problem exists???

You are like a Flat-Earther the way you argue.

Paul


On 6/5/18, L A Walsh <cygwin AT tlinx DOT org> wrote:
> Paul Sheer wrote:
>>> 	Maybe you aren't familiar with 'X'.  X is just a graphical
>>> transport.  It doesn't have menus unless some other program puts them
>>> up.
>>> Try 'X' on linux -- running it from startX from a console and see
>>> how easy it is to use.
>>>
>>
>>
>> NetSarang commercial X server has configuration menus to set keyboard
>> mappings, cut-paste behavior, and various other settings in a user
>> friendly manner.  It has orders of magnitude faster performance in a
>> side-by-side comparison using XEmacs Motif as a test application
>> displayed remotely over a 1GB LAN.
> ---
> 	That's fine, but how much does NetSarang cost for 10-15 years
> of commercial support & upgrades?
>
> 	I use Gvim over a Gtk interface.  The fact that you are
> comfortable with a 20 yr-old graphical interface, that was only
> reasonably supported by commercial Unix vendors puts you in a
> different class of users -- which was why I suggested an Apple
> based OS in the first place.
>
>
>> But that fact that you are using the reason "X is just a graphical
>> transport" as an excuse makes me realize it is impossible to have a
>> conversation with you.
> ---
> 	From my perspective, that's what it is, not too many
> programs are built on the Xlib et al. widget set.  I tune my programs
> and I/O more for file I/O and know my toolsets enough to know that
> they don't do with small packets, but had file I/O tuned at
> 125megaB (mega=10**6) writes and 119megaB reads over a 1GB LAN
> and now get 600+MB(M=2**20) reads and 275+ writes over a 8Gb LAN
> (10 in name, but lose 20% to bus speed).  My speeds now, in file
> I/O and in gvim are limited by CPU speed as Gvim does near full
> syntax parsing for error and color display.
>
> 	Realize though, that the fact that you prefer a commercial
> emacs version to a free X11+gtk Gvim sorta puts you more in a
> commercial apple class which is another reason I pointed at
> Apple based computers.  Also, even the fact that you prefer emacs
> + motif...makes it less likely you'll be happy with something
> that requires more work on the part of the user to tune for the
> OS + hardware; again=> apple.
>
> I hope you appreciate my input, it certainly wasn't from a fanboy
> of any of the OS's, point of view, but you've indicated you want
> Cadillac features and support.  I suggest and hope you find what
> you are looking for.
>
>
> (M=2**30) writes with
>

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