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Subject:	Re: texlive-collection-basic requires Perl to be removed
To:	Steven Penny <svnpenn AT gmail DOT com>
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If you tested it in a VM, then you would have seen that Perl is in the 
base. I administer dozens of OpenBSD machines for $work. Are you 
seriously questioning my intelligence to that degree. or are you just 
that obstinate?

I will admit, that it looks as if you were correct in regards to FreeBSD 
(I haven't used it in production for years) this is why I said "I do 
believe it is also in the base system of FreeBSD" and did not present it 
as fact, I merely offered speculation vis a vis FreeBSD. Regardless,  
you are patently incorrect in regards to OpenBSD. I have done over 100 
installs/upgrades of OpenBSD in the past several months and can confirm, 
that every time I have installed OpenBSD, Perl has been in the base system.

How do I know this? I run some custom in house Perl programs/scripts 
that I wrote myself and deploy them on nearly every machine I run. The 
Perl scripts run from a default install and they do not invoke pkg_add 
as I am a zealot who likes to run only the base system where possible.

I don't understand why you are refuting my statement so vehemently... 
this is easy to fact check. Go spin up an OBSD VM and try running a 
basic perl script on a text file. You will see it works.

Also, by install file sets, I also meant install media, don't be 
pedantic. Go do some research/testing before you reply again.

Thanks for the "illumination",

Jordan Geoghegan


On 03/24/18 11:17, Steven Penny wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:07:10, Jordan Geoghegan wrote:
>> I am writing this from an OpenBSD machine. I can indeed confirm that 
>> Perl is in the base sytem.
>
> thanks for the email. however i think we may have a pot-kettle 
> situation here,
> so allow me to illuminate you. just because you are on an OpenBSD 
> machine, and
> you have Perl, doesnt mean that Perl is in the base system. You could 
> have
> installed OpenBSD long ago, which didnt have Perl in Base, then 
> installed Perl
> at some point, giving you the illusion that Perl is in the Base 
> system. The only
> way to know for sure, would be to do a clean OS install, or to load a 
> live
> version in a virtual machine, as I did. Since you didnt specify, I 
> have to
> assume you did neither.
>
>> Those pages you reference don't show every program in the base system
>
> Right.
>
>> they merely show the install file sets.
>
> Wrong. The FreeBSD page contains virtual hard disk files (.vhd), and 
> the OpenBSD
> page contains virtual optical disk files (.iso).
>
>> You obviously have little experience with *BSD, please don't trumpet 
>> misinformation if you don't know what you're talking about.
>
> I would say the same to you. good day.
>
>
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