delorie.com/archives/browse.cgi   search  
Mail Archives: cygwin/2016/08/09/16:41:55

X-Recipient: archive-cygwin AT delorie DOT com
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id
:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post
:list-help:sender:content-type:mime-version:subject:from
:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id
:references:to; q=dns; s=default; b=tIFNIPHif1ombm4HHfcF+HtqEwNA
H0AYXWXa2SX0/kcxU6xFF+8wGnuzzrTBFEtDnqgZr0YoPEI4cf8cJIYxfuVZ7gwg
ZQgbsfDz9eQhDBdWabR6wZuGQurHIMvhA45JhnYcC064LZFWMeZZ9fKHYSYd+9hr
OwL+IFGDkFsUujQ=
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sourceware.org; h=list-id
:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-archive:list-post
:list-help:sender:content-type:mime-version:subject:from
:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id
:references:to; s=default; bh=wSc7CjbLtxwCdep7t5zVzYllt6g=; b=DE
6/ZqrLH2/sW5RnOf9TTOU1ruiyA/TI1q+WQHWH9PartHJxAmz049TvYpSGugswlc
fknsoPYm+xeIT5SqsBv0HIdT/x8hWYK3G3dSV1zjF++OCo3z/toplB5ZEaniQ2Oh
+boTCOZeaF56kowq7vDGfCx90j7nqjLFydt7b0bBQ=
Mailing-List: contact cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com; run by ezmlm
List-Id: <cygwin.cygwin.com>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:cygwin-subscribe AT cygwin DOT com>
List-Archive: <http://sourceware.org/ml/cygwin/>
List-Post: <mailto:cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>
List-Help: <mailto:cygwin-help AT cygwin DOT com>, <http://sourceware.org/ml/#faqs>
Sender: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com
Mail-Followup-To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
Delivered-To: mailing list cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none
X-Virus-Found: No
X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy=H*MI:sk:001001d, H*MI:sk:1C0AE95, broad, H*MI:sk:5adee09
X-HELO: etr-usa.com
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\))
Subject: Re: PATHEXT is fundamental to Windows and Should be recognised by CYGWIN
From: Warren Young <wyml AT etr-usa DOT com>
In-Reply-To: <ea9a92b3-d486-2c43-8725-daf50786ade0@gmx.de>
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:41:26 -0600
Message-Id: <EE07DA43-084B-4BE6-9D1C-58DCB97D7B87@etr-usa.com>
References: <001001d1edf1$a4e1ae90$eea50bb0$@rogers.com> <1C0AE95E-0118-4353-AA77-4D41F1AE9AE1 AT solidrocksystems DOT com> <001a01d1eea9$f7949a90$e6bdcfb0$@rogers.com> <76ec05e9-140a-19cb-942b-698582c3d024 AT gmail DOT com> <001f01d1ef2c$f04af9e0$d0e0eda0$@rogers.com> <20160805152951 DOT GO25811 AT calimero DOT vinschen DOT de> <57A6ED1C DOT 1060402 AT gmx DOT de> <5adee091-78a6-3a3d-5277-efa9e666f84e AT gmail DOT com> <000701d1f1d7$642ba6a0$2c82f3e0$@rogers.com> <ea9a92b3-d486-2c43-8725-daf50786ade0 AT gmx DOT de>
To: The Cygwin Mailing List <cygwin AT cygwin DOT com>
X-IsSubscribed: yes
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id u79Kfndk011064

On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:07 AM, Herbert Stocker <hersto AT gmx DOT de> wrote:
> 
> On 8/9/2016 2:45 AM, Michel LaBarre wrote:
>> It could very well be that, as one response to me on this thread
>> alluded, CYGWIN's role is to provide the equivalent of an isolated
> > POSIX VM under Windows without the VM.
> 
> ...CYGWIN is *not* an isolated POSIX environment. It brings
> POSIX to the OS named "Windows”…

In addition to Herbert’s points, I also want to point out that bidirectional Windows interoperability is a key differentiator for Cygwin vs. “Bash on Windows,” a.k.a. WSL:

  https://msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/wsl/

I’ve seen several of these isolationist moves over the years I’ve been using Cygwin, and I think they are essentially harmful to Cygwin.  The more you promote Cygwin as being its own little world, the easier it is to replace it with something that truly is isolated: WSL, a Linux VM, or even a Mac.

(If you’re wondering why Macs belong on that list, consider that if you’ve been using Cygwin on Windows because you don’t find the Linux desktop compelling, when it comes time to buy your next desktop, why not choose a first-class desktop computing platform where the Unix command line is not an afterthought, kept isolated as much as possible?)

I do not mean, by this comment, to endorse this idea of implementing PATHEXT in Cygwin.  In fact, I’ve made profitable use of the current situation by creating foo.bat and a shell script called foo, which gives me a single command that does the same task under cmd.exe and Cygwin’s shell, using mechanisms native to each.  I would not particularly want that ability to disappear.

This is not a simple question of “should Cygwin integrate with Windows?”  Your change implies a broad impact which should be carefully considered.

It sounds like you just want Cygwin to work like MKS, Michael, which isn’t going to happen.  Cygwin has ~20 years of independent development, all of which were in parallel with MKS.  If the developers of Cygwin had wanted to clone MKS, they would have done so long before now.
--
Problem reports:       http://cygwin.com/problems.html
FAQ:                   http://cygwin.com/faq/
Documentation:         http://cygwin.com/docs.html
Unsubscribe info:      http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple


- Raw text -


  webmaster     delorie software   privacy  
  Copyright 2019   by DJ Delorie     Updated Jul 2019