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Steven Penny wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Andrey Repin wrote:
>
> Hey buddy, if you want to spend your days with ad hominem attacks that is your
> business. The point of my emails was not my contributions, but Christopher's
> complaining.
>

You know, I've read this whole thread. There's only been one person 
complaining in it and it's not cgf.

I admit that Christopher can be gruff at times. And I think that 
sometimes he has a bit of an attitude. But, honestly I don't blame him 
for that. Look at it from his perspective.

80% of the requests for assistance here are answered by one of two 
people. And this isn't their day job.

Not only that, most of these requests would be unnecessary if people 
bothered to do a little research before asking.

Most of the ones that don't fall in that category could be much more 
easily resolved if people followed the directions for submitting 
requests for assistance.

So, of course, cgf gets a little frustrated at times. He's answering the 
same questions over and over, and repeating the same requests for 
additional information over and over.

Then, on top of that, we get people who seem to expect paid for quality 
support and maintenance for something that's free and from those who are 
submitting their time for free.

Maybe you should just chill a bit, and before you start again with the 
holier-than-thou stuff, take some time to look at things from the other 
perspective.

Those who are in control of the project have admitted that CVS is 
limiting, and have it on their radar to update it and replace it. When 
will that happen? I don't know. Real Soon Now, I'm sure. But I'm sure 
it's not a trivial 10-minute job, and I bet a rather significant 
percentage of the time that Christopher can devote towards Cygwin in a 
given day is wasted dealing with the issues mentioned above.

Be patient. I've been using Cygwin since...well since before it was 
called Cygwin. I think even before it was called Cygwin32. It's come a 
long way, and in that time many people have managed to contribute 
patches. Will more do so when CVS is replaced? Maybe, but I imagine it 
will still mostly be the same people.

Give these people a break and realize the amount of effort they've put 
into this, and stop complaining yourself.

Oh, and as far as source control systems go, and submitting patches, I 
remember using RCS, and before that SCCS. Those worked fine for their 
time, and I submitted lots of patches using them, even one that made it 
into the BDS 4.3 Tahoe 'vi' code.

So, like Andy, pardon me if I'm not moved to tears by your difficulties 
submitting patches.

-- 
Chris J. Breisch

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