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On 08/13/2012 08:22 AM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> But you aren't really even suggesting that.  You are apparently just
> suggesting that every windows error should be displayed by the Cygwin
> DLL.  Wow.
I never said "every" - you did.
>> I would draw the border at "if there's an error message".
> You clearly haven't thought this through.  Your screen would be filled with
> errors.  What happens when something like bash looks for ~/.bashrc and it
> doesn't exist?  You'd see a "File not found" on your screen.
That's not even a valid example. Even bash doesn't report that as an 
error as it isn't an error. You're being way to literal here. Let's 
change the statement "If there's an error, that you are gonna report, 
then you should report the best error that you can. One that leads to a 
solution the quickest". Call me silly but saying "Permission denied" in 
this circumstance is not "the best error you can report".

> Ok, so you don't want that one.  You just want the error messages that you
> care about.  Which of the thousands of Windows errors would we decide to
> display and which would we ignore?  It's not a solvable problem.
See above.
>
>>> As cgf pointed out, Windows has zillions of error codes.  We wouldn't
>>> want to generate the same number of POSIX-like error codes.  It wouldn't
>>> make a lot of sense since POSIX applications only test for a limited,
>>> expected number of error codes, and it might break things.
>> I was talking error *messages* not error *codes*.
> Cygwin and other windows programs do not see error *messages* when
> something fails, they see error *codes*.  Getting the error *message*
> involves translating the error *code* into a *message*.  We aren't actively
> stopping you from seeing an error message.  We are translating a windows
> error code into a POSIX errno.  Then bash reports the error using a table
> of error strings that it gets from Cygwin.
It's the "translation" that seems to be the problem. I understand, 
there's no error code that better translates. This, to me, just points 
out the flaw in the design of error handling and it results in bad error 
messages like the infamous "not a typewriter".
> The fact that this has to be explained to you pretty clearly illustrates that
> you don't understand what is going on here.
I do understand it. I gave a suggesting for how to better handle the 
error given the restrictions in the plumbing you describe.
> You really should either go thoroughly educate yourself about this or just stop talking.  Earnie's
> points made here: http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2012-08/msg00257.html are
> quite pertinent.
Obviously you're not interested. So be it..
-- 
Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
Things are more like they are today than they ever were before.


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