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On Oct 10 18:06, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 07:58:15PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 05:39:20PM -0400, Ken Brown wrote:
> >>Attached is a slight modification of the STC, in which I set stdin for 
> >>the bash subprocess to /dev/null.  With this modification, the program 
> >>works as expected (and as on Linux) with cygwin-1.7.9, but the same 
> >>problem as before occurs with the latest snapshot.
> >
> >I can duplicate this problem.  I'll take a look.
> >
> >Thanks for the STC.
> 
> As far as I can tell, this is arguably a bug in bash.  It's also an
> annoying compatibility problem between Linux and Cygwin.
> 
> When the tty layer in Cygwin was first developed, the model (either in
> my head or in reality) was "If you don't have a tty and open a tty, that
> becomes your controlling tty".  But, apparently that model changed over
> time to something more sensical where you have to explicitly use
> ioctl(TIOCSCTTY) to set up a controlling terminal.

I don't quite understand this.  The "If you don't have a tty and open a tty,
that becomes your controlling tty" is standard POSIX behaviour, isn't it?
SUSv4 open writes:

  O_NOCTTY

    If set and path identifies a terminal device, open() shall not
    cause the terminal device to become the controlling terminal for
    the process. If path does not identify a terminal device,
    O_NOCTTY shall be ignored.

The Linux man page contains basically the same.

> On Linux systems
> that would presumably be done via login(1).  We don't normally run login
> on Cygwin, though.
> 
> The problem is that when there is no controlling tty, bash uses a
> fallback mechanism to find the name of the tty by opening the tty
> associated with fd 0.  It does this without setting the O_NOCTTY
> flag and, so, the act of opening the fd assigns a controlling
> terminal.

That sounds correct to me.


Corinna

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