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Subject:	Re: gitk unusable in cygwin-1.7.6-1 because tcltk-20080420-1 is native win32 app.
From:	Reini Urban <rurban AT x-ray DOT at>
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2010/8/27 Charles Wilson:
> On 8/27/2010 2:33 PM, Andy Koppe wrote:
>> On 27 August 2010 19:22, neomjp wrote:
>>> 2. I understand that the reason to have tcltk-20080420-1 as a win32 app=
 is
>>> to have a graphical insight that does not depend on X Window.
>>
>> Cygwin programs can have Win32 interfaces actually, as proven by the
>> likes of rxvt, mintty, and the Xwin server itself.
>
> The real issue is that tcltk-20080420-1 presents the GDI (e.g. native
> windows) backend implementation for tcl/tk. =A0I was proposing that we
> eventually modify our offerings so that the new (probably split up)
> replacement package(s) present the X11 backend implementation instead.
>
> It has nothing to do with whether "tcltk" is a "win32" *application* as
> opposed to a cygwin one. =A0It's all about which interface the
> application/library uses to put graphics on the screen: GDI or X11.
>
> So far, nothing has occurred on that line AFAIK. =A0If it is to happen,
> the current maintainer has to just pull the trigger and say "we are
> going to do this". Existing maintainers of tcl/tk clients will then
> adapt; until (if) that happens, nothing will change.
>
> I think the big hangups were (a) insight (b) git (c) python-idle.
> insight might actually be dead or dying, not sure. =A0Obviously git and
> python-idle both work with X (on linux) so it's doable to convert --
> just a nuisance.

A big nuisance in my eyes.
Why do I have to start a xserver, when I can use native fast small GDI?

The PIPE problem appears elsewhere also, and will be fixed with 1.7.7.
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Reini

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