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Date:	Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:36:20 -0400 (EDT)
From:	William Sutton <william AT trilug DOT org>
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Subject:	Re: ps -ef difference linux/cygwin (arguments)
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William Sutton

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009, Mark J. Reed wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 11:13 AM, William Sutton
>> Let's try this one again, and maybe we can be civil instead of
>> condescending and insulting?
>
> Ahh.  You must be new here. :)

I've been using Cygwin for ~ 5 years and monitoring the list for ~ 3 
years, so "new" might be relative.  I can't say I've seen someone insulted 
quite so blatantly in that time :-/

>
> This has come up before; an archive search might save some repetition.
>  But if I understand the argument properly, it's a question of
> compatibility with scripts that expect the Cygwin ps to behave the way
> it does.

Perhaps I should have searched the archive...

>
> The ps command has traditionally differed widely from implementation
> to implementation  - the most glaring example being the BSD style
> options (ps auxgww) vs the SysV style (ps -elf).  The modern Linux
> command attempts to integrate both styles, plus a third innovated by
> the GNU project, but the Cygwin ps command was already established as
> its own animal by the time that happened.  (It also predates Cygwin's
> branding as specifically Linuxlike as opposed to generically
> Unixlike.)
>
> So there are configure scripts, etc. that check to see if the system
> is Cygwin and expect ps to behave in a certain way when it is.  Making
> it act like Linux ps instead would break things, possibly lots of
> things, possibly unmaintained things.
>
> So instead, the procps(1) command is provided as an alternative for
> users who want a Linuxlike ps command on Cygwin.

Thank you for a reasonable explanation :-)

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