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Date:	Tue, 10 Jun 2003 06:41:59 -0700
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From:	Randall R Schulz <rschulz AT sonic DOT net>
Subject:	Re: Vim and the navigating with arrow keys
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Brian,

At 06:27 2003-06-10, Brian DOT Kelly AT empireblue DOT com wrote:
>"True Vim'ers DO NOT navigate with arrow keys". I remember reading 
>that somewhere. Certainly the "correct" way to navigate in Vim is with 
>the  H  J  K  and  L  keys. Understood, acknowledged, yaddy yadda 
>yaaa. That said - I "like" to use the arrow keys. It's habitual and 
>something I've been doing for years and years. And like most folks, I 
>"resist" change. Therefore, I'm a little "disturbed" that the latest 
>Vim appears to have completely disabled the arrow keys for navigation, 
>or even for mapping.

You are mistaken. Arrow keys are working fine in:

   VIM - Vi IMproved 6.2 (2003 Jun 1, compiled Jun  1 2003 19:49:13)

If arrow keys are not functioning for you in Vim, the problem is not 
Vim itself.


>Is this a "planned" and permanent new condition?? The previous 
>version  6.1-300 still has arrow keys enabled, but 6.2-1 does not - or 
>so it appears. Now I do note, the navigating appears much more precise 
>and improved with 6.2-1, no more having to do CTRL-L's to refresh the 
>screen after navigating small text files. (Which was a bother). I 
>don't use RXVT, but bash in a cmd shell.

What TERM setting are you using? I have always found Vim to be 
virtually flawless in screen maintenance with TERM=cygwin under the 
Cygwin console-based terminal emulation.


>I'm a minimalist at heart and try to use native and ubiquitous 
>utilities to the greatest extent possible - which is why I long ago 
>chose Vi as my primary editor. Because it's "everywhere", especially 
>in UNIX, I'm never without "my" editor. Anyhow, I'd just to like to 
>know if anyone else has noticed this, cares, or knows something about 
>it. I can of course live without arrows, but I'd rather not if I don't have to.

We're all deeply caring people here, even if a bit mean.


Randall Schulz 


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