Mail Archives: cygwin/2003/04/17/14:21:04
Turning the topic in another direction (I hope). What I've been trying to
do is figure out how to totally remove cygwin from a machine before I do
another install. This suggests tha I could delete the cygwin directory and
the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygnus Solutions from the registry. Is
there anything else? Where are all the places setup.exe looks to decide
what is already installed (and what version)? I'd like to delete those
files too. I'm just trying to do the experiment of a "clean" install.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com [mailto:cygwin-owner AT cygwin DOT com]On Behalf
> Of Christopher Faylor
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 1:26 PM
> To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
> Subject: Re: A request?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 09:43:21AM -0400, Fletcher, Bob (GEAE, IT) wrote:
> >I'm a bit late to this discussion, but I'll jump in anyway.
> >
> >To the original question; I'd like to violate group etiquette and throw
> >in a big "Me to". Having a cleaner versioning process would be a big
> >benefit to cygwin.
>
> You're missing an IMO, there.
>
> >Also to the original question, a suggestion. I have the same problem.
> >I've taken the approach of running 'setup' on a box, then capturing the
> >files, my preferred mount points, path settings and anything else I
> >want to change, and building a Microsoft format "msi' package. I can
> >put this on a server and distribute it to internal users and they get
> >exactly my configuration. BTW, all you really need is a zip of the
> >cygwin directory and .reg file dump of
> >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygnus Solutions The MSI is just a bit
> >easier to install, and I can pput in the shortcuts for people.
>
> Great. You have a solution. This isn't hard. There are many ways to
> make this work.
>
> The problem seems to be that people want someone else to do the work for
> them. While I can fully comprehend why you'd want someone to spend a
> lot of time coming up with a "stable" release so that you wouldn't have
> to, and how much of a benefit this could be to some folks, the simple
> fact is that this isn't something that I want to do. One could consider
> this unreasonable, I suppose, except for the oft-stated fact that this
> is a volunteer project and I really don't have to do be doing anything
> at all. I *am* supplying you with valuable software at no cost to you,
> though. Currently, this is the limit of my largesse.
>
> Cygwin is a strange environment. It has many users and few contributors.
> Probably that's because Red Hat is involved and people, unconsciously or
> consciously think that somehow Red Hat is or should be footing the bill.
> Or, maybe it's because the expertise level isn't high enough since
> we're talking about a Windows environment.
>
> However, to a very large degree this is a volunteer process rather than
> a voting process. If you think "stable" releases are a good idea, then
> I will gladly appoint you the cygwin stable release maintainer, I'll set
> you up with disk space on sources.redhat.com and you can start doing
> your magic. I will set you up with a mailing list, if you want.
>
> I may offer an opinion or two as you ramp up but I probably won't change
> the way we're currently doing releases or development, though.
>
> >Third, in response to cgf
> >>Sorry but you are not a customer. You're a user. There is a subtle
> >>difference. Being a customer implies some seller/buyer relationship
> >>which would entitle you to some kind of service from the seller.
> >>Cygwin is offered as-is to you with nothing guaranteed other than you
> >>get the source.
> >
> >I'd love to be a customer! I keep asking Redhat about it, but there's
> >no product to buy. I think that if you offered a cleaner distribution,
> >you'd have a viable product. It works for Redhat linux....
> >ActiveState Perl, Tcl ect. Other companies offer similar Unix-like
> >products, but cygwin is better. :)
>
> If you mean a product as in a $30 CD, then that's not available.
>
> We do have a product, however. It just costs $$$ I just got off of a
> phone call with a potential customer, in fact.
>
> If you mean a product as in a product for which you can send "ssh doesn't
> work" type bugs, then that is not available. The product is
> geared towards
> the development environment. So, gcc and gdb are supported. bash is not.
> ssh is not.
>
> We will sell support for more than just gcc and gdb but we don't have
> standard pricing for that yet. It requires some negotiation.
> Since Red Hat
> is really not in the business of supporting Windows applications, we have
> to be very careful in our Cygwin support deals. Obviously Cygwin is
> not the core focus of Red Hat.
>
> >( Would someone at Redhat please copy this to Rebecca
> Ward AT redhat. I can't find
> >her email, I doubt she reads the list.)
>
> rward at redhat dot com is her address. If you are not getting
> responses from Red Hat sales, please send me private email and I'll try
> get that resolved.
>
> cgf
>
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