Mail Archives: cygwin/2003/04/10/21:25:52
On Thu, 10 Apr 2003 10:15:51 -0700, Randall R Schulz <rrschulz AT cris DOT com>
wrote:
> GARYDJONES,
>> > and it is widely supported by GUI mail and news clients.
>>
>> Does that mean that we should all post in jpegs since we could then
>> achieve exactly the same thing?
>
> That is a strawman argument and false in its own right.
>
i personally don't see how. mail using JPEGs to convey text is the same
general effect and idea of using HTML to do the same. when you throw CSS
into the mix, you might as well use JPEGs. same visual result - you just
can't copy and paste.
>
>> > Personal communications must extend beyond
>> > simple text without stylistic variation for computers to fully
>> > facilitate human communication.
>>
>> Post your proof.
>
> Ipso loquitur. People communicate audibly, visually as well as textually.
> Arbitrary restriction to styleless text is artificial and unjustified.
>
so say you. i and all of the people i know need no more than text to
convey simple thought. take the smileys for instance. :)
>
>> People have been using plain text to communicate quite satisfactorily,
>> thank
>> you very much.
>>
>> >> c) Attached images add an unnecessary burden on email downloads
>>
>> > Burden? On whom?
>>
>> On every single person that receives it. That much must be obvious, or
>> are
>> you being deliberately obtuse?
>
> Let me rephrase: _What_ burden? There is no burden.
>
bandwidth. CPU power.
not everyone is on a T1 or DSL. a lot of people are still on dialup. a
50-100% increase in message size is a burden to some. and with JPEG or GIF
backgrounds and so forth, that's even more burdensome. not to mention
storage. i rarely delete messages from this list.
or in the case of other people, their inept mail client is incapable of
rendering HTML mail for some reason - take AOL 5 and 6 for example. i've
heard they don't parse HTML mail. and look at Opera 6 and 7 (which i use).
Opera is designed to not render images in an HTML email. in fact, there
are a lot of HTML emails i get that say simply "This cannot be viewed in
plain text." or some similar warning. on the other hand, Opera parses HTML
quite happily, as its mail system is entirely XML-based. it's a burden for
me to receive HTML emails because of the way Opera handles them by default.
as a side note - Opera sends emails in plaintext - by default. that's one
of the reasons i chose Opera as my primary client. other reasons include
M2's nice spam filter feature - i can weed out spam quite easily now. what
little isn't caught by my spam filter comes on the cygwin list.
but i'm digressing from the point.
i don't like seeing fancy text. bold, pink, 20pt. Times New Roman is
incredibly difficult to read and even moreso annoying. another burden on
me. some people are colorblind - if the sender chooses to send in a color
the recipient can't even SEE - don't you think that's a problem?
sure, i miss not being able to bold my text or throw an underline under
book titles in my emails. but i make up for that by making it READ BOLDLY
like so, or _emphasizing_ my text in /various/ ways.
did i mention smileys? :)
>
>> > If the poster feels the need to communicate visually,
>> > then it is their prerogative.
>>
>> Just as it would be my perogative to ignore it or bounce it.
>
> Yes, you may plug your ears and cover you eyes all you want. No one loses
> but you.
>
...and the sender. if you send me an HTML email and i choose to bounce it,
then it's also your loss that you didn't get your message through to me.
and if you don't make the effort to get past whatever mechanisms i have in
place - which i place for a _reason_ - then your mail isn't important to
me. so, no loss. so YOU'RE the one SOL, not _me_.
:)
>
>> >> Offending software:
>> >> AFAIK only MICROSOFT Outlook and Outlook Express has this enabled
>> by
>> >> default; SHAME ON YOU M.S!
>>
>> > Again, this is BS. I use Eudora for mail and Mozilla (and before it
>> > Netscape) for news, and they all send HTML mail and images without a
>> > problem.
>>
>> By default?
>
> Yes.
>
ew, that sucks.
>
>> > Please don't be so atavistic. By definition everyone using Cygwin is
>> > using an operating system whose GUI subsystem is not optional.
>>
>> Whereas html /is/ optional.
>
> So are lower-case letters.
>
as well as many other things. if i wanted tripe discussions, i would have
joined the tripediscussions AT yahoo DOT com mailing list.
>
> Randall Schulz
>
>
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