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From: "elfyn-cygwin AT mail DOT exposure DOT org DOT uk" <elfyn-cygwin AT mail DOT exposure DOT org DOT uk>
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Subject: Re: A user friendly suggestion
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:10:45 -0500
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Hi,

Just want to appolagise in case I sounded rude in this thread that was
truely not my intent.

I think it would be a good idea to add either a mailto link or a simple cgi
form/link on the ml message.

On the latter suggested addition to the faq I think it should go without
saying, I mean everyone has to start somewhere. What may become annoying to
some is that the same questions get asked or variations of questions that
have the same answer as a lot of the time the answers may be in the mialing
list so searching the archives is a good source of knowledge on cygwin and
cygwin-apps.

When I joined the list I'm sure I may have annoyed a few guru's here by not
checking things first ;)

Elfyn
elfyn AT exposure DOT org DOT uk

Original Message:
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From: Rui Carmo rui DOT carmo AT accao DOT net
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:24:10 +0000
To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
Subject: Re: A user friendly suggestion


Well, I've done it both ways. I've followed the list over the last year 
via the Web, and only recently I've subscribed in order to keep closer 
track of the 1.3.16-17 issues.

Digests are fine for some people (and slower mailing-lists), but others 
(like me) hate scrolling up and down inside a message to find similar 
subjects/threads, and then having to follow parts of the plot in other 
digests, so on and so forth. It's a royal pain, and does not save any 
real amount of time or traffic - rather the opposite, at least for me. 
:)

So I re-subscribed to the mailing-list and, after two weeks (and even 
though it's been easy to tame procmail to do my bidding), I'm already 
considering unsubscribing due to the sheer volume of mail (and I don't 
actually store it on my box, but on an IMAP server, so I read it from 
_five_ different boxes now...). Cygwin + darwinports + chimera + a 
bundle of networking and security lists equals around 200 messages a 
day... :/

The web archive is much easier to handle, so any little enhancements 
(like adding the subject to the mailto: link, which seems a trivial 
endeavour that no-one will pick up on for sheer lack of time) would be 
welcome.

Since this "why don't you subscribe" thing seems to happen every single 
time anyone mentions they are not subscribed, I'd like to suggest the 
following addition to the Cygwin FAQ or netiquette section for the 
mailing-lists: :)

"Please remember that people who read the mailing-list via the Web 
should not be treated like second-class citizens. Given the Web's form 
of interaction, they have to make an effort to follow the list 
actively, not just lurking passively until mail arrives."

And now, back to Cygwin. :)

Rui Carmo

On Saturday, Dec 7, 2002, at 22:07 Europe/Lisbon, 
elfyn-cygwin AT mail DOT exposure DOT org DOT uk wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Im not sure about everyone else, but I subscribe to the list so I get 
> the
> messages in my mailbox. If you do subscribe and you don't want to get 
> all
> of the messages from the list you can use the cygwin-digest, a daily 
> digest
> of the traffic on the list, instead of revieving all and every message.
>
> See http://cygwin.com/ml/
>
> On the latter is could not see your post... Whats it called?
>
> Elfyn
> elfyn AT exposure DOT org DOT uk
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Joseph I. Davida jd108 AT pacbell DOT net
> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:09:56 -0800
> To: cygwin AT cygwin DOT com
> Subject: A user friendly suggestion
>
>
> Hi folks,
> 	It would be nice if the postings to the Cygwin
> mailing lists contain a link to reply to the posting
> when these articles are viewed via a web browser via
> URL http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2002-12/
> It would obviate cutting and pasting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> P.S: has anyone experienced the problems I have posted
>      about setup.exe on Win2K Professional?
>
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