Mail Archives: cygwin/2002/03/02/19:30:47
Andrew, Lars said
"I don't follow this mailing list in particular, so if someone wants to
announce something ******for this mailing list******, I'm probably not
the person to do that." [emphasis added]
Fair enough. BUT, posting an announcemnt on the WEBPAGE is NOT "for
this mailing list". It's for his damn nntp gateway. Perhaps using the
mailing list to relay a request to Lars was not appropriate -- since he
doesn't follow the list. But he sure followed it enough to realize that
there was a gap which he could fill -- when he created the service three
weeks ago (which was when cgf asked him to post an announcement). He
was proactive enough to set up the service. But not to post the
announcement using the facilities provided and referenced by the project
administrator (cgf). Go figure.
Supposedly, Lars set this nntp thing up as a service to the cygwin
community. Hmmm, let's think, how would you tell the community
something about a new "service"...well, you'd either
a) post an announcement on the mailing list,
--- but, this nntp service is specifically for those people who
don't like using mailing lists to communicate. So, that's not a good idea.
b) put an announcement on the official cygwin web page.
B) it what Chris asked for. B) is what I've been asking for. B) is
what Lars, as the contributor of a new service for the cygwin community,
should have done. And continually refused to do -- either
misunderstanding what was being requested, or too lazy ("I've set it up
-- that's enough", or whatever.
Sure, I could announce his service. I could also announce the
availability of a new ispell port for cygwin on the german ftp mirror.
I could announce that there was a new cygwin port of kde-2.2 at
kde-cygwin, or of gtk+1.3.6 at gtk.org.
But it's not my job -- and more importantly, it isn't my right! If *I*
posted the announcement, then *my* name would go next to the
announcement text. This poses two problems, one moral, and one practical:
a) the moral problem: it would imply that I was responsible for
someone else's contribution. Lars did the job, Lars should get the
credit. (If only he'd follow thru, and post the damn announcement...)
b) the practical problem: I'd get the email when the service broke.
I'd have to continually redirect queries to Lars -- in perpetuity, until
cgf manually changed the announcement text to refer to Lars instead of me.
If you want to characterize Lars' statement that he didn't want to post
an announcement on the *mailing list*, plus my insistence that he post
an announcement on the *web page*, and my refusal to implicitly take
credit for someone else's work as "stubbornness" on my part, you're
welcome to do so.
--Chuck
Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> Charles Wilson wrote:
>
>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
>>
>>> Charles Wilson <cwilson AT ece DOT gatech DOT edu> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> He asked that the person who established this service please post an
>>>> announcement on the web page...but he's "still waiting". Several
>>>> weeks later.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, er, I guess I'm the one who established this service, and you
>>> can read more about it on <URL: http://gmane.org/>. I don't follow
>>> this mailing list in particular, so if someone wants to announce
>>> something for this mailing list, I'm probably not the person to do
>>> that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> Lars, read carefully:
>>
>> Please announce the existence of your news gateway by posting a news
>> item on the cgywin WEB PAGE. Where people who are NOT subscribed to
>> the mailing list will see it (that's the whole point of your nntp
>> service, right?)
>>
>> Posting the announcement here on the mailing list will do very little
>> good -- we already use the mailing list, very few of us are going to
>> switch. Besides, we all already know it exists, thanks to this
>> interminable thread.
>>
>> To post an announcment on the CYGWIN WEB PAGE, go to THIS link (which
>> you would have found on the main cygwin home page had you looked for it):
>>
>> http://www.cygwin.com/post-article.html
>>
>> *I* will not do this -- it's not my place to announce your
>> contribution. Chris obviously felt the same way -- which is why he
>> asked YOU to post an announcement ON THE CYGWIN WEB PAGE several weeks
>> ago.
>>
>> But you did not. Why? And why are you being stubborn now?
>
>
> Talk about being stubborn! The guy said he didn't want to do it. He
> doesn't care about it.
> If you care then you do OK?
>
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