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Date:	Thu, 25 May 2000 09:19:19 -0700 (PDT)
From:	Earnie Boyd <earnie_boyd AT yahoo DOT com>
Reply-To:	earnie_boyd AT yahoo DOT com
Subject:	RE: CygUtils Version of zip (and Symlinks)
To:	"Parker, Ron" <rdparker AT butlermfg DOT com>,
	Cosmin Truta <cosmin AT cs DOT toronto DOT edu>,
	Charles Wilson <cwilson AT ece DOT gatech DOT edu>
Cc:	Jason Tishler <Jason DOT Tishler AT dothill DOT com>, cygwin AT sourceware DOT cygnus DOT com
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--- "Parker, Ron" <rdparker AT butlermfg DOT com> wrote:
> > > When you get right down to it, cygwin is NOT windows. It 
> > does everything
> > > it can to make windows look like Unix, so that apps can run 
> > *as if they
> > > were on unix* with little or no changes. So, by that logic,
> > > cygwin-zip/unzip =should= be built as unix-ish apps, not windows-ish
> > > ones.
> > 
> > Maybe you are right.
> > I personally look at gcc as a free alternative for a good 
> > Win32 compiler,
> > but I agree that cygwin is a "Unix on Win" and maybe most of 
> > the people
> > look at it that way.
> 
> ISTM that the right behavior would be for cygwin to build a UNIX-ish (un)zip
> and for mingw to build a Windows style program.  As already pointed out
> cygwin should be thought of as "Unix on Win" and IMO mingw should be thought
> of as "as a free alternative for a good Win32 compiler". 
> 

I agree.

> I realize that cygwin and mingw are both supported by the same compiler, but
> supplying -mno-cygwin causes gcc to switch from cygwin to mingw behavior and
> __MINGW32__ becomes defined.
> 

This is really a pseudo cross-compile and would be better handled IMO as a true
canadian-cross so that the headers and support libs aren't in the same
directory.

> This may be more a question for cygwin-developers, but I hate crossposts and
> know most readers of that list at least review this one.  So, wouldn't it be
> appropriate when compiling without -mno-cygwin for the specs file to define
> "unix", "UNIX" and similar "standard" defines?  They seem to be checked for
> in newlib, zlib, X11, and many other sources?
> 

Well actually, I've wondered about adding unix and linux and 'similar
"standard" defines' myself.  What would you consider "standard"?

> Yes I know I can make this change in my local sources, but I prefer to work
> with standard sources and now seemed a good time to bring it up.  I have
> been wondering about it for some time.

I have modified my specs file to remove the defines for _WIN32 and WINNT.  I've
thought of adding unix type defines but haven't yet.

Regards,

=====
---
   Earnie Boyd: <mailto:earnie_boyd AT yahoo DOT com>
            __Cygwin: POSIX on Windows__
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           __Minimalist GNU for Windows__
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