From:	ai26 AT sternwarte DOT uni-erlangen DOT de (Michael Lemke, Sternwarte Bamberg, Phone: +49-951-9522216)
Subject:	RE: Small request...
15 Apr 1998 13:20:07 -0700 :
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To:	jimen AT adtech-inc DOT com
Cc:	gnu-win32%cygnus DOT com AT bamp01 DOT sternwarte DOT uni-erlangen DOT de,
	ai26 AT sternwarte DOT uni-erlangen DOT de
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In a message of Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:05:45 -0000
Received on Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:52:11 MET-1MET DST

Jimen Ching <jimen AT adtech-inc DOT com> wrote
to: gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com <gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com>

>On Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:02 AM, Guy Gascoigne - Piggford 
>[SMTP:ggp AT informix DOT com] wrote:
>> Could we NOT do this.  The answer to simpler filtering is use a mailer that
>> can filter correctly, not bung up the subject lines with stuff that can be
>> deduced from other header fields.  Any combination of Sender, To or CC
>> containing gnu-win32 should do the job.
>
>I see many people opposing these requests, but I have yet to see a good
>reason why it shouldn't be done.  

Simple (hypothetical output):

MAIL> DIR/NEW
                                                                         NEWMAIL
    # From                 Date         Subject

   56 SMTP%"dan AT ttinet DOT com 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] Terminal Emulator for Win
   57 SMTP%"shoppa AT alph02. 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] Help, DLT way too slow   
   58 SMTP%"helbig AT man DOT ac. 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] UCX SMTP question        
   59 SMTP%"VAXman AT TMESIS. 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] Date simulation on VAX an
   60 SMTP%"ajcg AT hotmail DOT c 15-APR-1998  $$$ Earn money being honest and smart 
   61 SMTP%"pvhp AT forte DOT com 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] several failed builds on 
   62 SMTP%"jmaynard AT phoen 15-APR-1998  Unix geek with a VAX                  
   63 SMTP%"ARMISTEJ AT oeca. 15-APR-1998  RE: [CYGWIN] So...without a manual, ho
   64 SMTP%"ARMISTEJ AT oeca. 15-APR-1998  RE: [CYGWIN] User written system servi
   65 SMTP%"KilleenJ AT IDMIN 15-APR-1998  DECUS LA - Some thoughts from a "old t
   66 SMTP%"sugalskd AT osshe 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] several failed builds on 
   67 SMTP%"tarka AT earth DOT os 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] So...without a manual, ho
   68 SMTP%"shoppa AT alph02. 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] The Saga Continues, and T
   69 SMTP%"bovideoNOSPAME 15-APR-1998  Re: [cygwin] Standalone backup on dat 

See how all the subject lines are cut at the end?

>Just because there are alternatives doesn't
>mean it is a bad idea.  Second of all, filtering on 'Sender', 'To' and/or
>'CC' doesn't always work because some people use aliases for the mailing
>list address.  If you filter gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com, you will miss these
>messages.  

How many are those?  1 in some hundred according to my experience. 
Filtering on the current headers works well enough for all practical
purposes.

>Adding a keyword in the subject line in all messages distributed
>by the mailing list will guarantee that the filter will trap it.

But *I* can't read the subject anymore.

>
>Why is it bad to 'bung up' the subject line?  What's so special about a
>subject line that you shouldn't 'bung it up'?

The display should never exceed 80 chars.  That's why you don't put your
message in the subject field ;-)


Michael


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