Mail Archives: cygwin/1997/11/05/05:54:11
Ernie,
You could also join the freedows team. From the web pages they are
looking for qualified volunteers. see http://www.freedows.org
There is also a freedos. They even already have a download ready.
see http://www.freedos.org.
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>From: "Ernest Clayton Cordell, Jr." <ErnieC AT ix DOT netcom DOT com>
>To: "'jeffdb AT netzone DOT com'" <jeffdb AT netzone DOT com>
>Cc: "gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com" <gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com>
>Subject: RE: Win 95 Console Stuff...
>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:20:30 -0500
>
>Mikey & al.,
> I apologize first for straying a bit from the central theme of console
>concerns. While I understand Sergei's position and its merit as a
>technical recommendation, I tend to agree that some sort of recompense
>would seem to be in order from the producers of this "Windows operating
>system."
> I can't defend this position as passionately or as eloquently, but it
does
>seem that an incomplete product has been foisted on an unsuspecting
>marketplace; it makes me wonder what the requirements are for a class
>action suit. The product is so bad that the producers have all but
>abandoned it, lending probably only the legal minimum in support.
> While it is easy to muse over the availability of other choices, many
of
>us as developers had to respond to an opinion among our clients that
>"nobody was ever fired for choosing Big Blue." Microsoft has been
making
>the "prepackaged choice" in operating systems for small computers
(largely
>IBM and compatibles) since my first involvement with them, more than
twenty
>years ago.
> Realistically, I find great fault with the choice of "flash" over
>"function" in the window-driven philosophy, but PC DOS 1.0 with all of
its
>bugs was vastly superior to CP/M (IBM's original choice), and DOS 2.0
>included lessons learned from the building of XENIX. Bill Gates was
>impressed by UNIX features and _until_ considerable _USER_ flurry over
the
>"widgets and gadgets" of an operating system rather than emphasis upon
>reliable functions, things seemed to be headed in the UNIX direction.
> In terms of "functional evolution," we can see leaps between PC DOS
and MS
>DOS 2.0 and from later versions of DOS towards Win 3.11 -- but the
launch
>of Windows 95 strikes me as a bungled overcommitment from someone who
had
>no appreciation for the ambitiousness of the technical undertaking.
> On the heels of the Win9x series that was produced too fast and
released
>too early, it does seem a little much to accept a remedy that not only
>involves greater capital outlay for software, but for hardware
acquisition
>to support increased memory requirements. While it is easy for a
casual
>user to say "Oh, stop whining -- just spring for NT and an upgrade," I
just
>came from a shop that will have to get licenses and upgrades for 200
>machines just to run a package that is central to operation of the
>business; I'm sure there are worse horror stories out there.
> In short, I don't think we can blame Microsoft for responding to
market
>forces, but neither should we be penalized for the obvious planning
errors
>in their production schedules.
> I feel sorry for the poor kids who had to crank this stuff out while
the
>rest of their lives went to pieces.
> Having put in my 37 cents, I'll shut up for another few months,
>Ernie
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>From: Mikey
>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 5:18 AM
>To: Sergey Okhapkin
>Cc: gnu-win32 AT cygnus DOT com
>Subject: Re: Win 95 Console Stuff...
>
>You want me to give MORE money to MS,
>when they haven't even paid for all the
>aggravation they caused me with this
>95 piece of junk NO WAY!!!
>(and the win3.0, win3.1, win3.11, and dos junk)
>
>The only reason I'm working on this stuff in
>the first place is to try and keep them from
>getting money from my brother programmers, and I
>for vc++ which SHOULD be provided with the OS.
>
>On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:41:24 +0300, you wrote:
>
>>Jason M. Felice wrote:
>>> As we all know, Win95's console support *sucks* -- it is slow as
hell.
>>> I've been thinking about ways to fix it. There are three ways that
I
>can
>>> think of:
>>>
>>> 1) Support for DOS (16 bit, DJGPP) isn't slow at all. It's just the
>Win32
>>>
>>> 2) DirectX allows direct access to the graphics hardware, including
text
>>>
>>> 3) We could write a VXD that would allow aware applications to write
>>
>>4) We can run Windows NT and forget about Nightmare'95 :-)
>>
>>--
>>Sergey Okhapkin, http://www.lexa.ru/sos
>>Moscow, Russia
>>Looking for a job.
>>
>>
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