X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.linetec.nl Subject: Re: [geda-user] Maximum current for thermals? To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com References: <5244f7b5-c5d7-33ec-cd8a-c16d0595d7bb AT linetec DOT nl> From: "Richard Rasker (rasker AT linetec DOT nl) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]" Message-ID: <13bd5e86-db68-924f-7b56-6e75ac06fadf@linetec.nl> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:49:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id 00FKoV84004940 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk Hello Nick, Op 15-01-20 om 18:28 schreef Nick Bowler (nbowler AT draconx DOT ca) [via geda-user AT delorie DOT com]: > On 1/15/20, Richard Rasker (rasker AT linetec DOT nl) [via > geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >> [snip] >> >> Still, I wonder what the approximate current capacity of these thermals >> is? I know from experience that a few amps is no problem at all, but I'm >> pretty certain that they'll fail upwards of 25A or so. If possible, I >> prefer thermals for easier soldering, so a more accurate estimate of the >> limits would be appreciated. > Resistivity of copper ρ is about 1.7 × 10^-8 ohm*m at 20°C, with > temperature coefficient α about 3.9 × 10^-3 / °C. > [snip calculations] > > 25A: each thermal will dissipate 20mW or 80mW altogether. > 50A: each thermal will dissipate 80mW or 0.3W altogether. > 100A: each thermal will dissipate 0.3W or 1.2W altogether. This is about as far as I got too... > How hot the thermals will get is a system design question of > how well you are heatsinking that generated heat away. They are > presumably connected to a large copper plane which will help. And this is the main problem. Even a few dozen milliwatts can be too much if the heat isn't conducted away as fast as it's generated. But indeed we're talking about a large copper plane, so the heat can spread out pretty fast -- and I never actually experienced anything below 100 mW giving problems in any way. Based on the numbers so far, I'd say that 25A isn't a problem at all, but 100A will probably cause trouble, and pretty fast, at that. And I'll also have to look at inrush current (two terminal blocks connect to a pretty beefy 1 kVA SMPS). OK, thanks, it seems that these thermals are more resilient than I thought, and 16A should not be a problem at all. Best regards, Richard