X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ham03.websitewelcome.com X-Spam-Flag2999: NO X-Spam-Level2999: X-Spam-Status2999: "No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=gibibit.com; h=Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-BWhitelist:X-Source:X-Source-Args:X-Source-Dir:X-Source-Sender:X-Source-Auth:X-Email-Count:X-Source-Cap; b=NMNrGKoGxU/xejemIG9fmV8MBDVgFuX6getKMh/UyqRMATyjFzeIV/mG/hD7Q4nKufTucmeWE1hVW6MKUlOloqnDlwYs2zMx+HEcPNZ5+7O5yK9Cvn1DPr+Gs5lIj/la; Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:15:09 -0800 From: Colin D Bennett To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: Re: [geda-user] Useful things (in gschem) Message-ID: <20111219101509.7a424e02@svelte> In-Reply-To: References: <20111217222836 DOT 2A0CB81FD92A AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <4EED24D7 DOT 3090305 AT penguindevelopment DOT org> <20111218132311 DOT 63B2581FD92E AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.6; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator297.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - delorie.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gibibit.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: spk.venturedesignservices.com (svelte) [65.61.115.34]:4376 X-Source-Auth: colin AT gibibit DOT com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: c2t5bGVuO3NreWxlbjtnYXRvcjI5Ny5ob3N0Z2F0b3IuY29t Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by delorie.com id pBJIZxWU001879 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:01:45 -0700 John Doty wrote: > > On Dec 18, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Karl Hammar wrote: > > >> > >> If you do mean letting gschem auto-draw the nets, I'd say that > >> if a net is too complicated to draw manually, it's probably > >> better to use the aforementioned net-labelling symbols anyway. > > > > Why do people use auto-routers... > > They use auto-routers for boards because board layout only needs > to make electrical sense, not visual sense. Also consider how much more complex it is to route a PCB than to draw lines on a schematic! For instance, the length of your schematic lines is irrelevant and crossings of lines is free; on the other hand, PCB traces cannot cross without introducing vias, each of which may have a negative electrical impact, consumes board space, and obstructs routing on other layers at that point. On schematics, you can “warp” from one place to another using named nets (pin/port symbols) and power/ground symbols; we can only wish for that on a PCB. Any help from a computer tool to design a *good* PCB layout would certainly be a benefit, but it's unlikely a schematic capture tool can really make a *good* (i.e., easy to read) schematic. Regards, Colin