X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=heVyOJ7Lzrk69vizXSTvamVxuQBihnE7rn5oybZOVEk=; b=mbIUztCcWMaSRLSCYJ/hwjYlxqyPCQjyneFG3Fy8I6VyOSlVs8uch6oY25q3xVdu5w GhuMRw9oVNnTOq1Ke5qb12KQwKXlMK9m2eUODwoTtP/jga3dsDTIcgrU8eq2AOb65Rgk NMlDHRNhiXjfluyIbRQieCYnLnAATshEHxfBI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20111202101147.04de74dd.attila@kinali.ch> References: <1486241a-88b7-4c8d-8354-ded392eadf96 AT email DOT android DOT com> <4EC9CE99 DOT 5040303 AT industromatic DOT com> <4ED27309 DOT 6030100 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20111127231842 DOT 3FD9B81F6262 AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <4ED30BB2 DOT 8030301 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20111128075947 DOT F0D6681F6266 AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <4ED36081 DOT 5080507 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20111202101147 DOT 04de74dd DOT attila AT kinali DOT ch> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:02:59 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [geda-user] Re: I won't do BGA's From: Bob Paddock To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk > My recomendation, if you want to work with the SAM7's USB, write your > own USB code using the Atmel code as an (bad) example on how to do it. Use Dean's LUFA package if you can: http://www.fourwalledcubicle.com/LUFA.php NXP just licensed his ARM port. > Oh yes.. reporting those bugs to Atmel lead to being ignored... Worse than being ignored is the answer of "Yeah, we knew about that. We'll update the documentation." I've still not seen updated documentation for some of the things I've reported, after *years* of wait. The AVRStudio-5 fiasco shows Atmel's utter contempt for their customers. The contempt for users of their parts shows in their web site as well. It gets fancier each revision to show the stock holders, and each time the datasheets get harder and harder to find. I've been told by the Rep Firm, who was fired by Atme (They got us good pricing that Atmel then tried to not honer), that today Atmel is putting all of their effort into TouchStuff, at the expense of everything else. We've used tens of thousands of various AVRs per year for the last ten years or so. Continuing availability issues, obsoleting parts every few months, without replacements being ready, documentation that waste your time (Ever try to use the XMega128A1 CRC range command, as it is documented? The silicon doesn't even have that feature in it!) etc. We've already decided our future projects will not have any Atmel parts of any type in them. Right now we are leaning to Renesas RX/RL78 or Energy Micro ARM parts.