X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=QqvcLCOd c=1 sm=0 a=6jktZp3dcHAl1vye2O6wCg==:17 a=F7YQP-1FNzsA:10 a=qymyWqK0CjMA:10 a=6WB07kdHjWAA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wR-FlJDvAAAA:8 a=iutH2yCOmrBGP66KjswA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=05EBPMntedwA:10 a=6jktZp3dcHAl1vye2O6wCg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 70.113.67.117 Message-ID: <4ED3AD70.6060009@ecosensory.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:49:04 -0600 From: John Griessen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20111010 Icedove/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Subject: [geda-user] Re: I want to do BGA prototype soldering References: <1486241a-88b7-4c8d-8354-ded392eadf96 AT email DOT android DOT com> <4EC9CE99 DOT 5040303 AT industromatic DOT com> <4ED27309 DOT 6030100 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20111127231842 DOT 3FD9B81F6262 AT turkos DOT aspodata DOT se> <4ED30BB2 DOT 8030301 AT ecosensory DOT com> <20111128114541 DOT a9359d0d DOT attila AT kinali DOT ch> In-Reply-To: <20111128114541.a9359d0d.attila@kinali.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com On 11/28/2011 04:45 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:18:58 -0600 > John Griessen wrote: > >> .8mm -- is that big enough to "do at home"? > > Yes and no. Yes, you can do it, no you need a good fan > (not the usual ones you get at hardware shops) and some > experience how to do it. By fan, are you meaning hot air blower, or heat gun? Like my 1650 Watt version? > > It's in my opinion easier to get a small electronics oven > (like the one sold by elektor) and solder the BGA in there. > Although other people report that using a normal kitchen oven > works well for them, i do not recomend that as you have hardly > any control on the temperature curve. But modified with a ramp controller? == On 11/28/2011 09:07 AM, Bob Paddock wrote: > BGA's are still better than LGA's or even QFN's. > > The latter are a nightmare to get the flux out from under if your aim > is ultralow current, and want a service life of years. Thanks, hadn't realized LGA's, qfn's were worse. Is there a technique for doing those first few prototypes washout well, or just plan on them not being usable long? 140 degrees F is what I've been told about water washout of flux. maybe a water pik pump would survive that temperature? Else, is pouring a stream of hot water from 2 feet up good for dislodging flux under BGA's?