X-Authentication-Warning: delorie.com: mail set sender to geda-user-bounces using -f X-Recipient: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-TCPREMOTEIP: 207.224.51.38 X-Authenticated-UID: jpd AT noqsi DOT com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AE2F5CA2-7272-42E9-93C2-BC0C3683A8DC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: [geda-user] A lesson from gnet-makefile X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: John Doty In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 07:32:36 -0600 Message-Id: References: <1042003D-82E2-40F0-AB60-8186580C46AD AT noqsi DOT com> <201510121905 DOT t9CJ5T9W026297 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <88EA58F5-2B23-498A-9E5B-84054976DBED AT noqsi DOT com> <4D3CD563-D8EE-4B2A-975A-AC2B573960FF AT noqsi DOT com> <34B17816-9EA5-45FD-BFB4-9D623A8D3D87 AT noqsi DOT com> <39FF6208-7D45-4DE8-9AEE-1ED1B512705B AT noqsi DOT com> <201510140229 DOT t9E2T45e021346 AT envy DOT delorie DOT com> <38EA4E25-A99C-4732-B803-215D5FCC3264 AT noqsi DOT com> <1272FD2! 1-1CA9-44C8-A56F-24A77676E017 AT noqsi DOT com> To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Reply-To: geda-user AT delorie DOT com Errors-To: nobody AT delorie DOT com X-Mailing-List: geda-user AT delorie DOT com X-Unsubscribes-To: listserv AT delorie DOT com Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail=_AE2F5CA2-7272-42E9-93C2-BC0C3683A8DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Oct 13, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:06 AM, John Doty wrote: >>=20 >> On Oct 13, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Evan Foss (evanfoss AT gmail DOT com) [via = geda-user AT delorie DOT com] wrote: >>=20 >>> Yes and I have sided with you on that as I said before often in a >>> minority of 2 or 3 people. >>> Ultimately you have to trust people and the community or have your = own >>> fork. Although as the only person who is actively writing gnetlist >>> backends you basically already have that. >>=20 >> But what matters is who=92s using them. I have no idea how many, but = people do ask questions about them occasionally, so I=92m not the only = user. >=20 > If the users don't use this and it just sits there after a while we > can redact it. No harm no foul. I have schematics that still have promoted attributes that shouldn=92t = have been promoted due to the change in the default, maybe 5 years ago. = That still occasionally creates trouble. https://bugs.launchpad.net/geda/+bug/1014160 caused me to release a = broken design. I still hate the feature, but nothing will get in the way = of developers who prefer clever to simple. Subtle problems get released and cause harm before they=92re noticed. = Definitely foul. >=20 > The closest this comes to having validity is the question will this > addition break the gnetlist backends we already have. The answer is no > assuming no one breaks the scheme interface. Depends on whether you change the data the scheme interface returns. Do = you know all of the implicit assumptions in all of the back ends? Of = course, you don=92t, nobody does. I don=92t think it condescending to = assume that you lack clairvoyance. >=20 >> John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. >> http://www.noqsi.com/ >> jpd AT noqsi DOT com >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Home > http://evanfoss.googlepages.com/ > Work > http://forge.abcd.harvard.edu/gf/project/epl_engineering/wiki/ >=20 >=20 John Doty Noqsi Aerospace, Ltd. http://www.noqsi.com/ jpd AT noqsi DOT com --Apple-Mail=_AE2F5CA2-7272-42E9-93C2-BC0C3683A8DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWHll1AAoJEF1Aj/0UKykRLxUQAICBYzYCuxiGbDDgbraBwiSK oQx1Ve3oxqTyGHo99rTHDSx4M0NCJyJ69axvm4h5yWtnUwDEeQfsjXJ+t47B5gWE BYlkUFn/pzlCEKS4NE84niX60htsk84HGrJBg78CgQgvaQ6riKxV2Z+YTX9t8Bsk Qjl3nSiXxd3/EiarcB42n+SMB6J6nBWEJYJjZsv+ZUHDxM9LvavwHcpLXRUH6lmc U6rMyb6M7I6c3eYghQz/RU/EyapN4ic/FUhoFEoEazJC+BKuYtn8dOf1yRH2lk0i GMvodo6i6fVuCR4Bp8jILv9x7SEqMyrKbPVa5zpYCibqPFEMue8+A9feww/dRT8X e8Hn/1EvsRIm6Jws1oe03MvEw6PtrpcAEeHAm22iDuklr3S04Vy/1U+3SrpapsWT MzyzOPzMFanGKDL3GYQ8rcsFjA+A80Sd7IH8kBVUKrV85mgSN1PHs7osMe4TQXUN N20sWSfdiNsJrqKokJ88rm2ms3FsgR1elhyyqcKGb9phuhalErtOJQBrT21fDlxK WCV0occwKIlOjh0AOttla/mMcll75qaO5cajOnD/Ps6CnY0AMQm3KLvYq2TilsmU JW6UNX29PRPj2+RMbAAjOOv0Z8MUJUGyo/RSvrQHcBQsDU6hvkt7SfmcQcMPX2mj 4wT7F6PuBHFVPjD33iIM =9+Yo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_AE2F5CA2-7272-42E9-93C2-BC0C3683A8DC--